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1/1/94 20:55 7/ Tim Salazar <[e-mail]>
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BTW Crystal,

What scanner are you using? I'm looking for a scanner for the Amiga. I need
the transparency option. Got any sage advice for me?

Thanks
Tim Salazar  [e-mail]
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I followed Allen's directions, and WOW! What a radical effect!!

I did have a couple of questions about the clouds though...

LW seems to 'choke' when the particles are very close together. Is this a
bug, or just a problem with overlapping polygons? Is there a way to
avoid this? Basically I have an animation where the particle cloud morphs
into the object, then I dissolve the 'particle-ized' object into the full
version. This seems to be where the problem occurs.

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Also, I had a question about some general problems that keep cropping up.

I just installed a G-Force '040/33, and LW has been crashing periodically
on animation renders. I don't remember the number, and it only does it
once in a while, but I was wondering if anyone knew what it could be. I
haven't been able to get through to anyone at NewTek to find out if they
know.

Oh, I just remembered another question about the Particle Morphing...I'm
trying to create an effect of a word 'exploding' into particles (Kind of
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evenly divide the word into particles. I'm not handy at all with ARexx,
and just subdividing the word creates a very uneven spread.

Anyway, I think I've rambled enough. Thanks in advance for any help.


Daryl Bartley
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RE: Crystal

Sorry about that.

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Okay, yet another Morphing/Modeler Question...

I am trying to create an animation where a 'car' turns a corner. Basically what
I want to do is instead of having the car actually turn the corner I want to
perform a sort of 90 degree morph. Simply rotating the object in MOdeler and
morphing doesn't get the effect I want, it simply slides into the new position.
I wanted the 2nd morph target to come out of the sides of the object. I hope
that explains it correctly. Anyway, is there a way to rotate the points and
then sort of 're-order' them so that LW thinks that they are different points?

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Also, in light of the StandIn creation scripts I've seen recently, has anyone
written a modeler script to reform an object with a specific number of points?
This would be VERY handy for doing any-object->any-object morphing! Just hoping.

Oh, also a pseudo-tip (That is if it isn't common knowledge already :-) )...

I am in the process of making a starship and a rather humongous docking bay for
it to emerge from, and I had the task of making that sort of 'star wars' type
surface for the exterior. I wanted to have very exaggerated boxes that actually
cast shadows and the like. I couldn't get what I wanted from a displacement map
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without a ruinous amount of polygons in the surface, and of course bump mapping
was right out.

Enter the Point Distribution macro! I made a few different ones, extruded them
in 3 directions to get the boxes, then scaled them down and so that they would
appear to be on the same plane. I had to clean up a few sections where they
were too heavily concentrated, but for the most part it works pretty well if I
assign a few slight color variations to the different groups of boxes and help
it out with some fractal noise and things. Even when I don't want to use the
boxes directly, I found out that by rendering them as flat polygons in a head
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on view I get a great start on a hull plate map. Just an idea...

Okay, enough bandwidth. Sorry for the tendency to post in spurts. :)


Daryl Bartley
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Greetings,

I've  hit that "Volume Full" wall too many times now and have decided to
acquire a DAT drive.  I'd appreciate some opinions from others who use DAT
drives with their LightWave setups.  Considering the costs of the media, I
think we'll go with a 2 gig drive, as I can't see the 5 gig being worth an
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Bruce Martin
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    sorry to disturb you but i have been searching for an email address
for a Lightwave mailing list and i was pointed in this direction. have
i got the right address and is it still active? If it is, could i be
subscribed to it... if not, sorry to troubke you...

    thanks in advance

    steve
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Howdy.  I got a contract bid coming up, and it would be helpful to
animate blowing curtain.

Basically, I'm approaching it with a displacement map along the
Z-axis.  I also altered a version of the curtain with a bend at
one corner to morph to and back from.

This seems to be working >>fairly<< well, although the ripples look
a lot more like , well, ripples than "blowing".

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Anybody got any suggestions?  Fine tuning?  Ratios of curtain size to
wave speed?  (I also have a velocity on the texture.)

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Failing a 3D approach, I may SHOOT a blowing curtain on a motion control
rig and composite my imagery.  Looking for suggestions on:

        1:  Transporting motion control data to lightwave.

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            "chroma key" to composite the imagery.  (Actual experience
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  Bruce,

  We use the Turbo Python (2 gig, SCSI II) DAT drive.  It works great --
  although our real world xfer rate is substantially less than the
  advertised 22 MB.    It is an excellent, sturdy drive.




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>I'm looking for information on the FTP sites on the internet where I might be
>able to find objects/models to render (LightWave, DXF, Imagine, etc) and
>possibly some IFF texture maps.
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>Is there such a place?  If so. what is the address?
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Try avalon.chinalake.navy.mil.  They have a collection of objects in
various formats.  The lat time I checked, Avalon was a workstation which
was in use during regular business hours (PST).  Hope this helps.

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Randy Cadwell writes:
> Now,   I've created a mower to mow this grass and wonder if anyone
> has an idea on how I can make it appear that the top is cut off.

If the grass being cut does not have to be waving, the solution is simple:
Use a binary displacement map to displace the Y value of the grass. Apply the
map to the strip of grass being cut and move the map so it coincides with
the lawnmower. The map would simply be a rectangle that is half white and
half black (you could use the grid texture rather than an image), and has
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Here the $.02 visualization:

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                                       ^ lawn mower location

But if the grass being cut must wave, it is far more difficult. Two methods
that come to mind are LOTS of multi-target morphs, errrrgg! or a closely spaced
row of vertical bones that sequentially shrink the grass in the Y direction
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when the mower passes over them.

> Otherwise here is a plug for LightwavePro. It gives alot of great
> tips. Check it out.

I won't argue with that :-)
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What you want to do is ftp.  You probably have manuals on-line to do
this.  Type 'man ftp' (OK, I am assuming you are using a UNIX host.
That should tell you most of what you need to get started.  Then ftp
(by the way that stands for file transfer protocall) to one of the
sites, use username anonymous, and your own e-mail address as password.
from there you will want to type 'binary' to set to 8 bit transfer
mode.  use the 'dir' and 'cd' commands to look at, and change directories.
'cdup' goes back one directory level.  when you find the files you want
type 'get [filename]' (filename IS case sensitive) and it will be transferred
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In a nutshell, the Bill Mills 15 Second FTP seminar.

Be seeing you...
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On Mon, 3 Jan 1994 [e-mail] wrote:

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> A couple of days ago I asked a question about how I could login to such places
> as the wuarchive.wustl.edu system, which was mentioned by someone to contain
> texture maps and stuff. Well, whaddaya know, my system was down the last three
> days, and I missed a whole chunk of the mailing list. So if anybody replied,
> could you please post again?
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> Q: I can telnet to these systems, but cannot login. I've tried Guest,
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> Anonymous, etc etc. but then what do I put for a password? I've almost
> exclusively used Internet E-mail in the past, so telnetting is new to me...
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> =)

Try "FTPing", FTP is the File Transfer Program, to get a file from
wuarchive try this: ftp to wuarchive (ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu), login as
anonymous (anunymous),  passwd is email address ([e-mail]),
cd to graphics/graphics (cd graphics/graphics), get a directory listing
(dir), change to binary mode (bin), get the file you want (get file1.lha).
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it is a great way to files (wuarchive has over 15GB of disk space! :)
Hope this helps.

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> AC
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Just make a nice desk and chair, and have him scale the Motion Man to
match, as I recall he is well over 50 meters tall, drastically
out of scale, it's been a while since I've used him though.

-Bill Mills
Corinthian Media Services
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Mi> upgrade sales.  I disagree that people who buy an upgrade without owning
Mi> a Toaster aren't stealing Lightwave.  They are.

Mi> If you own a Toaster go read your license agreement.  If it is like most
Mi> software licenses it will say somewhere in there that you have not
Mi> purchased Lightwave (or any of the other software).
Mi> If it doesn't say
Mi> anything like that I'd be interested in hearing what it does say.

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Another round of legalistic interpretation by people who know nothing
about the subject?  Let's not.

Suffice it to say that Newtek's License Agreement contains most of the
same non-applicable stuff as most any other license agreement, including
the "if you open the package you agree to abide, otherwise return the
unopened package" nonsense.  (You can't read the agreement without
opening the package, but opening the package means you've agreed to an
agreement you haven't been able to read yet?  I don't think so.)
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Newtek's agreement also says, and I quote: "Title to this product
(excluding the storage media) and all other rights and uses not
specifically granted in this agreement are reserved by Commodore and its
suppliers."  So I guess Newtek doesn't have any say over what you do with
Toaster software either, since their agreement lists Commodore as the
holder of "all rights".  How 'bout that.  "Newtek's" agreement is a
standard-style agreement lifted (stolen?) rather inexpertly from
Commodore, with numerous references to C= as holder of all rights,
etc., left unchanged throughout the document.
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They also say nothing whatsoever about needing a Toaster to use the
upgrade software, but even if they did it would be nonsense,
legalistically.

Allen and Stuart should definitely have gotten a deal which gave them
royalties from upgrades, since their work is largely responsible for
update sales.  They should seriously consider reopening their contracts
with Newtek.  But for Allen to claim that someone BUYING an upgrade is
STEALING the product is nonsense.  That IS the same as claiming that all
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It's just not the case.

 * Q-Blue 1.0 *
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> This seems to be working >>fairly<< well, although the ripples look
> a lot more like , well, ripples than "blowing".

An important thing to consider is that blowing curtains' main movement is
near the center (where the air presses), but there is a secondary
follow-through near the bottom (where inertia gravity get theirs). By
creating two displacements, a broad one above and a narrower fringe below,
and making the fringe's movement trail behind the main one, you should get
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When in doubt, look at a real curtain. See how it fills with air, drags
the lower part along, then relaxes and deflates. It doesn't ripple.
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Perhaps this is not a strictly "Lightwave" question, as it sits in that
twilight zone between Lightwave and the Toaster, but:
I have a system with about 32 meg on-board to facilitate the realtime playback
of about 10-12 sec. of Lightwave animation.  Is there any way of controlling
the playback frame rate of the animation so as to extend the playtime?

Thanks for any ideas?

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>Re my last question about software drivers for Kurta drawing tablets,
>I called Kurta this morning and was told that Kurta no longer has
>software drivers for Amigas, as of a year ago, because they were not
>getting any requests or questions about it, and know of no-one else
>that has software drivers for the Amiga. So I subsequently asked him
>if it was copyright infringement for me to copy an old Kurta software
>driver from someone else to use, and the Customer Service Rep said
>it wasn't.. so...
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>Does anyone have an old copy of the Amiga software driver for the
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>Kurta drawing tablet? I received a few replies on this before, so I
>know that there are at least some others out there using Kurtas on
>their Amigas, so.. help??

Alan, if you do receive a Kurta driver from someone, I would like to hear
how it works. We have some of the new Kurta pressure sensitive tablets
connected to PCs here and I would like to use them on the Amiga.

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Hola -

>  > Basically, I'm approaching it with a displacement map along the
>  > Z-axis.  I also altered a version of the curtain with a bend at
>  > one corner to morph to and back from.
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>  > This seems to be working >>fairly<< well, although the ripples look
>  > a lot more like , well, ripples than "blowing".
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> I'm trying to do the same thing you're doing with a flag, although this is one
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> of my pet projects instead of one of my regular paying ones, so I haven't felt
> the pressure... =)
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> I've gotten the same ripply effect, nothing organic enough.. the problem lies
> in the fact that the ripple centers are always in the same spot, so the next
> few things I'm going to try (when I have time) are:
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> (possibilities deleted)

Try using about 6 bones, as suggested by the Stranahan tapes, in the corners
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of the flag and in the upper & lower centers;  then adjust them at least along
the Z axis, back and forth over however many frames, for additional ripples.
You can even rotate the corners of the flag for additional 'snap' to the
waving, but the bones where the flag is tied to the flagpole should be at
least relatively stationary.

I got this going fairly well before a variety of Agnes/040 problems started
giving me the greens...

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Humanoid is made to correct human height... 6ft tall male.

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Bill,

>Just make a nice desk and chair, and have him scale the Motion Man to
>match, as I recall he is well over 50 meters tall, drastically

Hmmm, am I wrong or Motion Man and Humanoid are two different products?
Its the Humanoid I'm after... but thanks anyway, I'll keep that info
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just in case.

I'm new to LW so it may be a FAQ but does the size of an object affect
the speed of LW? I'm asking 'cos I know that Imagine's speed seems to
suffer badly when rendering small objects. So far I have not noticed that
problem with LW (which i have had for a week now).

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I am looking for a aircraft carrier object for LW. Acutally it can be in
any format [except real3d]... if you know where such an object can be
obtained PLEASE Email me!

Sjakie

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P.S. I already tried avalon.chinalake.navy.mil and have not found such an
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This is not a pure lightwave question but I  have been unable to find the
toaster group, even after trying to resubscribe.  But anyway here it goes:

I was wondering if anyone can offer some advice on the following problem:

Configuration:  Amiga 2500 with 4 MEGs RAM expansion, Megachip 2000/500 for
an                      additional 2 MEGS RAM and a 44 MEG Syquest

System:         Amiga OS 2.1,  Toaster 3.0 software upgrade only, Amilink 3.0

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                        sizable EDL, CG loading is very clunky and often an 'out of memory'
                        prompt appears.  I often need to shut down Amilink and CG to enter LW
once everything is loaded.

I realizing adding more memory is the most likely answer but I've heard of a
software package called "GIGA-MEM" ( retails for $87.95) which is suppose to
allow RAM access to unused hard drive memory (of which I have about 13 MEGS).

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toaster group, (I know the mailing list was blown away) but non the less
here it goes:

I was wondering if anyone can offer some advice on the following problem:

Configuration:  Amiga 2500 with 4 MEGs RAM expansion, Megachip 2000/500 for
an                      additional 2 MEGS RAM and a 44 MEG Syquest

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                        prompt appears.  I often need to shut down amilink and the CG and/or
paint in order to access LW.

I realizing adding more memory is the most likely answer but I've heard of a
software package called "GIGA-MEM" ( retails for $87.95) which is suppose to
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Please excuse the previous message refering to Humanoid being over 40
Meters tall.  It's Motion Man that's way out of scale, Humanoid is
correct in scale.  Sorry, I guess with this cold I have I must have
coughed up a good sized chunk of brain.

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Hiya,
    As I am now the proud owner of a new toaster 4000 setup, I am in
the process of converting a few of my old imagine objects into
LightWave format using Pixel Pro. Why is it that on some of my objects
I'll get polygons that are identical to the others connected to it but
they appear as polygons and not smooted out like the rest of the
surface? Its not on all of them, only on objects that had been
sliced/cut/altered in some way in imagine.... any help and ideas would
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I have noticed an object titled 'nimitz' in the avalon.chinalake
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remember correctly it was in wavefront format which Lightwave can
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On Wed, 5 Jan 1994, Allan Patrick wrote:

> I have noticed an object titled 'nimitz' in the avalon.chinalake
> mirror on wuarchive.wustl.edu.  This can be reached using ftp.  If I
> remember correctly it was in wavefront format which Lightwave can
> handle.

I will check it out but I think it is an spaceship object.. will check
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        I didn't get your orginal question but as far as I know, you can't
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>  > Basically, I'm approaching it with a displacement map
>  > although the ripples look a lot more like ripples than "blowing".

I would add some bones to your curtain and see if you can't get a more natural
look from the combination of both deformation techniques used together.

> I'm trying to do the same thing you're doing with a flag
> I'm going to try (when I have time):
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Tim,

>Humanoid is made to correct human height... 6ft tall male.

Thanks a lot! I'll be able to figure the rest of dimensions
from an antropology book. BTW. You wouldn't know what The
Cathedral for LightWave is? A set of objects or one huge
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>I'm new to LW so it may be a FAQ but does the size of an object affect
>the speed of LW? I'm asking 'cos I know that Imagine's speed seems to
>suffer badly when rendering small objects. So far I have not noticed that
>problem with LW (which i have had for a week now).

The size of an object in world coordinates should have no effect on
LightWave's rendering time.  I'll bet Imagine uses some kind of space
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if objects were smaller than a subdivision cell, so that's probably
why Imagine is affected.

Of course, an object's size in pixels will make a big difference in
any renderer.  For example, four times as many pixels need to be shaded
in a sphere 100 pixels across as in one that is 50 pixels across.  This
is one reason I'm often skeptical about rendering time comparisons
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>Allen and Stuart should definitely have gotten a deal which gave them
>royalties from upgrades, since their work is largely responsible for
>update sales.  They should seriously consider reopening their contracts
>with Newtek.  But for Allen to claim that someone BUYING an upgrade is
>STEALING the product is nonsense.  That IS the same as claiming that all
>Toaster owners who upgraded to 3.0 (or earlier to 2.0) STOLE the product.
>It's just not the case.

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We do get some royalties from upgrades (not nearly as much as from
regular Toaster sales).  But isn't it obvious that upgrades are
intended for users who have already purchased an earlier version of
a product?  When you buy a Toaster 4000, you are paying for the 3.0
software (including LightWave).  When you buy the 3.0 software
upgrade, you are just paying for the incremental changes between the
3.0 software and the earlier version you already own.  That was
certainly the intention with the 3.0 software upgrade, which dealers
were supposed to sell only to Toaster owners.

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spirit of what upgrades are all about, and it's unfair to the
developers.

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>    As I am now the proud owner of a new toaster 4000 setup, I am in
>the process of converting a few of my old imagine objects into
>LightWave format using Pixel Pro. Why is it that on some of my objects
>I'll get polygons that are identical to the others connected to it but
>they appear as polygons and not smooted out like the rest of the
>surface? Its not on all of them, only on objects that had been
>sliced/cut/altered in some way in imagine.... any help and ideas would
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For a polygon to be smooth shaded with a neighboring polygon in
LightWave, three conditions must be true:

1) Both polygons must use surfaces that have Smoothing turned on.

2) The angle between the normal vectors of the polygons must be less
than the maximum smoothing angle (usually 89.5 degrees).

3) The polygons must share the same points along the edge where they
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I suspect that the third condition may be the cause of your problem,
in which case all you have to do is merge the points in Modeler.

By the way, it's very useful to use unmerged points to intentionally
create creases in a smooth surface, such as on the hood of a car.
Let's say you want a crease down the centerline.  Just take half the
hood and mirror it WITHOUT merging points later.  Cutting away part
of an object and pasting it back (again without merging points) is
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of the object later, just make sure to limit the merge by selecting
the area to operate on (so that the creases won't be smoothed out).

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>> I'm trying to do the same thing you're doing with a flag
>> I'm going to try (when I have time):
>> 3 or 4 morph targets with different numbers of ripple centers.
>
>Note that morphing is done before displacements are applied so this may not>accomplish what you are looking for.

        Indeed.  To paraphrase:

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        If it did, a combination of morph envelope and displacement mapping
        of the target would give us an ADJUSTABLE displacment map; i.e. an
        envelope-able displacement map.

        Which would be VERY handy. <sigh>


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I've also noticed problems when converting Imagine objs to Lightwave. I just
assumed it was the fault of Pixel 3D. However, I've also noticed
problems with objs that I would think should be good. One example is the
object "babem" that Viewpoint was giving away last year. I would expect that
any object from them should be perfect (since they normally charge for their
"datasets"). However, this lightwave object has serious problems when
illuminated by a spotlight and setup to both cast and receive a shadow.
I tried merging points, but it made no difference. I didn't try rendering
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Another more recent example... A simple model of Saturn. The object was
backlit with the "sun" (a spotlite) being about 15 degree off to the side of
the planet. The sphere of the planet was surfaced "smooth", and the object
itself was set to both cast and recieve a shadow onto/from the rings.
The result was that every polygon was visible on the lit portion of the
planet. If I turn off receive shadow, then the problem goes away. I suspect
that shadow caster is the culprit here. I'm wondering if I'll need to trace
the shadows to get the proper results in this case?

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> But isn't it obvious that upgrades are
> intended for users who have already purchased an earlier version of
> a product?

It is to most of us.  Also, there are a lot of us that realize that the
extra money you pay for the full product is more than worth the support
you get.  These people have no idea how much support costs... let them pay
10% of a $25,000 product for each year of support for a while! :)

> Even if what you are advocating is OK in a legal sense (I don't know
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> spirit of what upgrades are all about, and it's unfair to the
> developers.

And for the rest of the user base who recognized that Lightwave is more
than worth the $2000+ it cost.

My favorite thing from this whole LightRave escapade is that it is now
fully dedongled and pirated, which is what their big beef with Lightwave
was.  At least NewTek is getting some upgrade money while most people I
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I am tempted to use LightRave as a faster Lightwave loader (skipping the
switcher) and Lightwave accelerator (skipping the buffer dumps).  Arrr matee!

I probably just wait for the Screamer...  What is the status of that
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ok guys, I'm new to the list, and I don't know of any FAQ's, so here's
my question to Allen:

Will Newtek ever release a stand-alone LightWave???
I'm just a poor college student who loves CG, but I can't afford the
price of a video toaster OR the LightRave/Wave combination, but still,
I'm a potential customer. So, will Newtek address the issue of satisfying
the demand of the HUGE market made of people like me??? As you know LW
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> I am looking for a aircraft carrier object for LW. Acutally it can be in
> any format [except real3d]... if you know where such an object can be
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> Sjakie
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Ah, but there IS an aircraft carrier at Chinalake - look under Nimitz
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I have already "massaged" this object into something more suitable for
LIghtWave (renamed the surfaces, given them some better colors, etc)
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     I'm starting to get into splines heavily here. I'm running into problems
when it comes time to do the patches. Typically I'm using NxN patches so that
I can merge the points of the patches to get continous smooth phonging. However
I'm running into cases where two or patches meet and no combination of patch
parameters will yield a set of polygons with points lined up to the other patch's
points. This is problematic, since it doesn't allow for phonging across
different patch areas.
     Anyone got a solution for this? Is it possible to patch more than one area
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        The 3.1 upgrade talks about "thumbnail" images in the surface
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> Q: I can telnet to these systems, but cannot login. I've tried Guest,
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On Jan 7 in <[e-mail]>, Josh Whitehouse (rutgers!lehman.com!josh) wrote:

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involved a combination of morphing, and dissolve envelopes.

I created a random distribution cloud 100m in diameter using the Macro
feature in Modeler.  It should have the same number of points as the
object you want to morph it in to.

Bring both objects into Layout.  Define a morph envelope from the cloud
of points to the object (for my purposes about 60 frames, or 2 sec did
the trick).  Define a dissolve envelope for the cloud (0-100%) and for
the object (100%-0) to match the morph sequence (I found the dissolve
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Rendering this now, you may notice that the points shift around
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>ok guys, I'm new to the list, and I don't know of any FAQ's, so here's
>my question to Allen:
>
>Will Newtek ever release a stand-alone LightWave???
>I'm just a poor college student who loves CG, but I can't afford the
>price of a video toaster OR the LightRave/Wave combination, but still,
>I'm a potential customer. So, will Newtek address the issue of satisfying
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Please, let's not clutter up the list with such questions directed at Alan.
Alan does not control how Newtek markets its products and probably doesn't
want to be bothered with such questions.  Besides, the general feeling is that
the LightWave/Toaster system is well worth the cost and that LightWave by
itself is probably worth the cost of the entire system.  There are a TON of
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and less about legal issues and product issues.   Thanks.

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> Are people using Exabytes 8mm or 4mm, Archive (now Conner?),
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I have both a WanDAT 3200 2GB 4mm drive and an Exabyte 8500 8mm drive.
Having previously used a 525MB 1/4" cartridge tape drive for backup, both
these drives have been a massive improvement. I love them both. But since
the Exabyte is higher capacity, probably double the speed, and supported
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> Howdy!
>         The 3.1 upgrade talks about "thumbnail" images in the surface
> texture sub-menus. They don't show up on my system. (A2000, v2.0 toaster
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No. :( Or at least I can't find it.

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> ok guys, I'm new to the list, and I don't know of any FAQ's, so here's
> my question to Allen:
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> Will Newtek ever release a stand-alone LightWave???
> I'm just a poor college student who loves CG, but I can't afford the
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I totally agree with this.  I'm hoping that when the Screamer becomes
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I was talking to a friend of mine who is involved in making commercials
and is around studio broadcast equipment all the time and he says when
they do chroma keys and things like this they can set the black level they
use. So they set the black level to -10 which cannot be reproduced
except bye software and then they dont have to worry about those horrible
]bleed throughs on color 0 (if thats what your keyeing over).

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From: Alan Thorpe <[e-mail]>
To: Sjakie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Who would like to help make some objects?

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I have noticed recently that there are a LOT of new (and old)
LightWave users out there who take advantage of the Avalon object
"repository" and other common sources for some really useful objects.
The major problems being that the objects aren't "tweaked" properly
for LightWave, they don't include historical data (like exactly what
is the copyright associated with this object) and they are not
properly explained.

PROPOSAL?  Perhaps.  Don't know if there is enough disk space
available right now, BUT if someone were to be willing to put up some
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community) could find something to fill it.  I don't mean an
all-encompassing archive... no, more like a "working directory" where
we could all contribute towards a project until WE thought it was done
and THEN it could be forwarded to Aminet or Avalon for inclusion in
some of the really big archives.

By focusing our talents on a single (ok, maybe more than one) project
we could start building a library of **LightWave** objects that are
more than just bland carbon copies of WaveFront or AutoCAD models.
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Think of it, perhaps, like the model train buffs.  They have this
habit of building sets in sections.  Each person builds what they
think they are best at: city diorama, mountain pass, rural setting,
and then they fit them all together to make one HUGE set that EVERYONE
can use.

I've spent hours just messing around with countless objects exploring
point reduction, polygon reduction, sizing, surface renaming,
conversion to scenes, motion paths all in an effort to make those
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plain white objects render quicker, with EVERY polygon facing the
right way, with COLOR and with more realistic surface attributes.  I
want to share this, but more importantly I want feedback from others
who are doing the same thing and may other ideas I haven't thought
about.

So.  Enough ranting ;-)

Anyone have a spare Gigabyte or two?

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Hello surfers!

Here's what I think of the lawnmower effect:

I think their is a good way to do this, so the grass is rippling and being
cut at the same time, but one thing I can't accomplish. Here is the deal:

Make a grass field as Mark Thompson said, right until the jitter. Now, to
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To the UPPER portion of the grass only, apply a y-axis clip map that
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Well, you'd have to ask them exactly what units that "-10" is in.
I'd suspect it's "IRE".  Which, if that's the case, your 0,0,0 black may
indeed be already at -10 IRE.

But to answer your question, no, there it no way to get any blacker
than 0,0,0 - by definition.  However, it depends greatly on the encoder
used where exactly on the IRE scale your 0,0,0 black comes out.

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>On Thu, 6 Jan 1994, Bryan Blevins wrote:
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>> Howdy!
>>         The 3.1 upgrade talks about "thumbnail" images in the surface
>> texture sub-menus. They don't show up on my system. (A2000, v2.0 toaster
>> hardware) Do they only work on the Toaster 4000 hardware?

Whoever wrote the documentation must have been looking at a newer version.
The thumbnails on the Texture panel were added in version 3.14, after
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The file in question, "Nimitz" is indeed the Aircraft carrier Nimitz. =20=

I have d/loaded this object cleaned it up a bit added a texture map
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Definetly worth checking out...

Type at ya l8r..
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>Well, you'd have to ask them exactly what units that "-10" is in.
>I'd suspect it's "IRE".  Which, if that's the case, your 0,0,0 black may
>indeed be already at -10 IRE.

He's gotta be referring to IRE.

>But to answer your question, no, there it no way to get any blacker
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Black should never be at -10 IRE.  Normal black is 7.5 ire and what they call
"Super Black" is at 0 ire.  You can get "Super Black" on the Toaster switcher
by picking an input on the switcher with nothing hooked up to it.  Super
doesn't mean like "SuperMan" but because you can Superimpose items easier
using luminance keys with a 0 IRE black level.

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I was just curious as to what the major differences were in that extra '.1'..
I got the 3.0 upgrade a bit ago...one of the many perterbed people that did in
order to find out they're dumping the T2000. Oh well.

Anyway, is there going to be some kind of 'sub-upgrade', like at a reduction
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I remember a while back someone mentioned a good way to get the effect of beams
or shafts of light (like from windows/backlit openings, etc)...I have played
with this somewhat and have a decent shaft, but I _must_ be doing something
wrong, because render times went through the roof! For some simple beams of
light coming off of some text, it was wheezing along at 45mins a frame on a
33mhz '040! Just seems a bit out of hand...

Anyway, is there some trick to it that I missed?

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them there awesome textures into that there awesome program. Just interested as
it would kick some serious tail.



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>
> Black should never be at -10 IRE.  Normal black is 7.5 ire and what they call
> "Super Black" is at 0 ire.  You can get "Super Black" on the Toaster switcher
> by picking an input on the switcher with nothing hooked up to it.  Super
> doesn't mean like "SuperMan" but because you can Superimpose items easier
> using luminance keys with a 0 IRE black level.

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The 0,0,0 black in your computer graphics is probably coming out at
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is set for.  If there is a setting you can adjust (I know the SuperGen
has one), you could probably get 0 IRE black in your graphics.  But
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>        The 3.1 upgrade talks about "thumbnail" images in the surface
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>

I can't find them on a 4000 either. The only place that I've found a
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> Well, you'd have to ask them exactly what units that "-10" is in.
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> But to answer your question, no, there it no way to get any blacker
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> Also, when using a _CHROMA_ key, the _black_ levels are not as critical.
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>Anyway, is there going to be some kind of 'sub-upgrade', like at a reduction
>for the people w/3.0? I've tried calling NewTek to ask, but getting through to
>Elvis would be easier.

I talked to NewTek this past Thursday (6 Jan 94) regarding the 3.1 upgrade.
It was triggered by the comment on the back of either VTU or Amiga World
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anything by the end of this month.

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them on voice?  I had planned on trying that if my telephone request
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>Oh, speaking of getting through to NewTek, does anyone know anything new about
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I'm still trying to get a complete toaster development suite into our
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talking to him last week he mentioned he had received a partial FAX from
NewTek regarding the Screamer.  Partial meant he could only read about 20%.
 However,  he said NewTek was still developing their pricing strategy.  As
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was just curious as to what the major differences were in that
extra '.1'..  I got the 3.0 upgrade a bit ago...one of the many
perterbed people that did in order to find out they're dumping the
T2000. Oh well.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I just got my 3.1 upgrade in the mail last Thursday.  Haven't had a
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Hi Everyone

I'm trying to do a "Proof of concept" animation for a client and he wants an object to have "that water thing in the movie The Abyss" look.

I've been tinkering around but I haven't been able to get it right.  My render times are getting out of control too (10-15 hours per frame on my 4000/040).  What I need is some recommendations for a highly reflective, semi transparent surface settings.  W
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I recieved my  2 new toaster 4000's (040). I purchased 2 1.2
gig hard drives and 18 megs for each. I had the first one
assembled by a professional broadcast engineer, loaded all the
software, and everything went uneventfully.  However I am having
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Well said, Jeff.  I'm glad someone was less 'lazy' than me to respond to
the NTSC black stuff... :-)

I found it interesting that "Black" out of the toaster is NOT super-black.
According to a friend of mine that use to engineer at NewTek, it was
a hotly debated topic (at least to him), that the Toaster didn't
generate "real" black...  as a "standard color"...

But we wax esoteric... if a a system is unintentionaly putting out -10
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Well said, Jeff.  I'm glad someone was less 'lazy' than me to respond to
the NTSC black stuff... :-)

I found it interesting that "Black" out of the toaster is NOT super-black.
According to a friend of mine that use to engineer at NewTek, it was
a hotly debated topic (at least to him), that the Toaster didn't
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ML> We do get some royalties from upgrades (not nearly as much as from
ML> regular Toaster sales).

Glad to hear it.  Guess it was an excess of rhetorical zeal that led you
to claim earlier that you get no money from upgrades.  Ever considered
politics? ;-)

ML> But isn't it obvious that upgrades are
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ML> software (including LightWave).  When you buy the 3.0 software
ML> upgrade, you are just paying for the incremental changes between the
ML> 3.0 software and the earlier version you already own.  That was
ML> certainly the intention with the 3.0 software upgrade, which dealers
ML> were supposed to sell only to Toaster owners.

I'm sure it's not Chevrolet's intention that their 350 engines should end
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ML> Are you just arguing that NewTek made some mistakes in the wording
ML> of their license agreements, and such loopholes should be exploited?

No, they actually didn't write an agreement at all, judging from the one
printed in my 3.0 manual; they just lifted it from C= and didn't even
bother changing the name Commodore to Newtek.  (That would put that
agreement into a rather gray area anyway, I guess, wouldn't it?)

But of course Newtek's one big big mistake in all this is in not figuring
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Just a minor note from someone who's never been near a TV studio,
or even a toaster to be more precise, so no flames, ok???

You know guys how TV stations avoid using highly-saturated colors
(very bright colors) and specially red??? Maybe they do something
in video equipment where in a scale of 1-16 they say 12 is the maximum
color, and MAYBE they also have a lower bound, and MAYBE that's why
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> > Super Black is at 0 ire. You can get "Super Black" on the Toaster switcher
> The 0,0,0 black in your computer graphics is probably coming out at
> 7.5 IRE because that's what your video encoder (Toaster, genlock, etc)
> is set for.  If there is a setting you can adjust (I know the SuperGen
> has one), you could probably get 0 IRE black in your graphics.  But
> that's a hardware (video encoder) adjustment, not a software one.

The problem is, you need to differentiate between rendered black and black
background and communicate that from the rendering software to the output
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have a hard definition of what is background without resorting to mattes.
Simply adjusting the ouput of your video device to achieve super black is
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of requests for super black from LightWave out the Toaster. Perhaps it
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>Is anyone aware of a particle motion generator/module that would introduce
>mass, direction, velocity, and other physics into the Lightwave domain?
>I am aware of the Dynamic Motion Module from Positron Publishing, but I was
>looking for something that would deal with multiple particles in an eligant
>fashion, was a little less expensive (DMM is U$180.00).  Anything in the Share-
>ware/freeware world, perhaps?

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sound pretty sophisticated, but I don't know if either are released yet or
what they will cost.

"SPARKS" is from MetroGrafx, and offers effects like sprays, streams,
fountains, waterfalls, explosions, sparklers, magic wands, flocks, arrays,
swarms, orbits, wind, gusting, flaking, swirling, particle trails on
moving objects, multiple local gravities, elasticity and mass, and more,
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"Photon-Accelerator (TM)" is from Interworks (who have also announced
LightWave render-farm software called "Toaster-Net (TM)").  Among other
things, it provides a 3D character generator with special effects, Follow-
Me-Motion (TM) for caterpillars and trains, a non-linear timeline based
scene editor, actor-based animation, and more.  The number is 909-699-8120.

Besides these and Dynamic Motion Module, NUtopia has been working on some
very interesting related software, but it's just for in-house use so far.

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        The subject line refers to what is known as "super-black".

>
>Well, you'd have to ask them exactly what units that "-10" is in.
>I'd suspect it's "IRE".  Which, if that's the case, your 0,0,0 black may
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>But to answer your question, no, there it no way to get any blacker
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>used where exactly on the IRE scale your 0,0,0 black comes out.
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hey, my First message to LightWave user group.!


(1)
Is the LightWave .lwob format published anywhere?   I`m interested in Writing
a MDL application from INTERGRAPH`s MicroStation V5.0 that would write a
MicroStation Or ModelView Design directly into LightWave Scene.

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I`ve heard of the 3.1 Upgrade, is it AmigaDOS 3.1? or a newer version of
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And Are their any FTP sites for LightWave Objects/Scene`s?  If not, then can
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> HELP!
> I recieved my  2 new toaster 4000's (040). I purchased 2 1.2
> gig hard drives and 18 megs for each. I had the first one
> thanks in advance  (stuff deleted.....)
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> Brad Prosise
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Brad,  what brand Hard disks are you using?  and if they are SCSI, what
interface are you using?,  I have the same problem, which I know how to cure,
I installed a FASTLANE Z3 card in my 4000 with Quantum PD 1GIG disk, my
problem was that there were transfer errors from the disk!, When I wrote
information to the disk, and copied data from my IDE`s to the SCSI, the data
is not corrupt and still intact, but when I read back from it to RAM or by
reading data from it into LightWave, Then I get transmission errors.  On the
FastLane I can adjust the transfer rate, I choose Synchronous Mode as low as
3-4mb second, this seems to work fine.  Asynchronous and Synchronous modes
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I`m trying to identify the problem with the transmission errors, it could be
something to do with the Amiga, I`m waiting to upgrade my SuperBuster to -11,
or the disks themselfs,  Once I find the problem, and how to fix it, I`ll write
a detailed Report and Post it here.  The Fastlane Documentation gives me a few
idea`s, they say Transmission errors can be caused bu using cables over 5 meters
long, I`m only using the short internal SCSI ribbon.  My A4000 is very unstable
now, and GURU`s quite often, since the Installation of the FastLane, but don`t
get me wrong, I`m really pleased with the FastLane, The problem I believe is
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Is anyone interested in putting a Video together of Amiga Animations?

not commercial, although that is an option, but rather an "internal" type video
of all the Toaster/LightWave, and even 3D Studio users who talk here?
I`m interested in seeing what work people have done, and maybe live film of
themselfs working in their studio or like me=Bedroom and equipement used.

I put lots of small snippets and bits together I`ve done onto VHS, normally in
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that have been image-wrapped around objects, morphing etc..

It would be nice to see such a video, spending around 3-5 minutes per person?
alot more if they have lots of cool animations?  Most people could do the
filming themselves and one person collect it all to put onto Tape?  I for one
would contribute film, and pay for the cost the finished tape+postage etc...

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Mark Thompson <[e-mail]> writes:

>I know in the past, Allen received a lot
>of requests for super black from LightWave out the Toaster. Perhaps it
>hasn't been implemented because NewTek feels that matting with LW's new
>alpha channel is sufficient.

I can't really do anything about this without a major change to the
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special RGB combination out of the regular 24-bit color space, or
maintain an extra bitplane, and pass that to a new encoding function.

But in any case, I don't have access to the encoding function source
(it's all in assembly anyway, which doesn't do me much good), so I'd
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|Is the LightWave .lwob format published anywhere?   I`m interested in Writing
|a MDL application from INTERGRAPH`s MicroStation V5.0 that would write a
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        I would be interested in playing with the MDL once you get it
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On Jan 6, Alan (Alan Thorpe) wrote:

> >
> > I am looking for a aircraft carrier object for LW. Acutally it can be in
> > any format [except real3d]... if you know where such an object can be
> > obtained PLEASE Email me!
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> > Sjakie
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> > P.S. I already tried avalon.chinalake.navy.mil and have not found such an
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>
> Ah, but there IS an aircraft carrier at Chinalake - look under Nimitz
> object (I believe in the WaveFront, .obj, section).  If you would like
> I have already "massaged" this object into something more suitable for
> LIghtWave (renamed the surfaces, given them some better colors, etc)
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I'm game. Our animation are done through the real time mode of the
toaster. We have Sony 5800 and 5850's without frame accurate
capabilities so anything that is pretty complication ends up in lo
res. But I've done a few I'd be willing to share. My stuff is
educational based. I create video tapes for the general public to
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RE:Data corrupted in transfers between IDE and SCSI drives.

This error may be the IDE drives and not the SCSI.  It is extremely important
to check that the IDE drive is formatted properly.  When I recieved my first
A4000, I dropped in a 220Meg Maxtor IDE drive to complement the existing 120
Meg IDE drive.  Formatted it as per ususal, and then discovered a couple
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the directory was mapping data wrong.  The answer to my problem?  Not all
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Actually, using alpha instead of superblack is SUPERIOR because superblack
only gives you a one-bit-deep matte. I really can't imagine too many cases
where anyone would really have a good use for superblack in a toaster
context. The only gear that could usefully process a signal containing
superblack would imply an environment with enough video gear that you could
always copy the Toaster matte in B&W (or the alpha channel, for that matter)
and renormalize the signal so that you get superblack before shoving it
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>
> This error may be the IDE drives and not the SCSI.  It is extremely important
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> of weeks later, while moving 20 megs of important data between partitions,
> that the data was corrupt, even though it had apparently copied free of
> errors.  Some of this was real spooky.  I had some sound samples, and they
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> what she was saying was from samples used in a previous demo, I realized that
> the directory was mapping data wrong.  The answer to my problem?  Not all
> IDE drives should be formatted with the FastFileSystem.  Some need appropriate
> dos selections under the CustomFileSystem.  If you are having these kinds of
> problems, check with your dealer, they can get the appropriate information
> from the service center at their distributor.

If I recall correctly, these glitches occur with some IDE drives when
transfering large blocks of contiguous data to/from the drive.  The
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the data is all contiguous on the drive (which is one reason it is
called FastFileSystem).

The problem occurs in that many IDE drives have an upper limit to the
number of disk blocks that can be requested in one I/O operation that
doesn't correspond to the maximum that can be requested through the
IDE interface specification.  The problem doesn't show up with the
clones because they don't attempt to request the maximum allowed by
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The cure is to set a special field used by the FastFileSystem.

In HDToolbox, select the drive in question and then click on the
"Partition Drive" button.  For each partition on the drive, select
the "Change..." button under "File System:  Fast File System" on
the right side.  At the bottom on the left side should be a box
labeled "MaxTransfer."  Enter "0x1FFFE" or "131070" into this
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same for the other partitions on the drive.  When you are done,
press "OK" on the "Partitioning" window.  Finally press "Exit" on
the "Hard Drive Preparation, Partitioning and Formatting" window.

This is all from memory.  Hopefully it's close.  I can't take
responsibility for any problems.  You may want to attempt a
backup first.  Be aware, however, that data in large files may
likely be corrupted on the disk, especially any files which
where copied onto the disk all at once.  Large files that were
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You may be able to not bother with the reflection. You might be able to
just get away with refraction and a morphing 'Water-worm' ( that's what
I've heard it called). The reflection might not be that important if the
thing is'nt moving too much. If you really want it, you might just do a
reflection map. Just put a picture together of the surounding scene, and
map it on with a real low level, like 10 percent, but you'll have to play
with it. 10 to 15 hours is just WAY too much.
Good luck, I hope it comes out great. I hope to see it someday
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> need NewTek HQ to do that part.  Hmm, I just realized such a change
> would probably break LightRave (which just intercepts those calls to
> the encoding function).
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Are all the owners of DPS PAR boards aware the current software revision is
now 1.61?  When I purchased my setup in September(?) it had version 1.16.
There have been some very significant changes/improvements since this,
including integration with the SMPTE generator form Studio 16, two disk
capability (Master/Slave) and info on the wider range of drives now
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> I have played
> with this somewhat and have a decent shaft, but I _must_ be doing something
> wrong, because render times went through the roof! For some simple beams of
> light coming off of some text, it was wheezing along at 45mins a frame on a
> 33mhz '040!

This seems a bit excessive, BUT, keep in mind that LW uses a multipass
algorithm to deal with overlapping transparency. As the number of overlapping
layers gets large, render times can skyrocket. This situation can be agravated
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> They will crash the computer (software failure) or cant find
> cirtain images.  When trying to render just a model (any model)
> the image renders with lots of garbage in the screen, and when
> it reaches the end of the frame and you hit enter or escape it
> crashes. It does a complete system reboot. In addition to the
> lightwave problems many of the DVE effects will say improper
> format or crash the machine.
> Brad Prosise
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 I had the same problem and it ended up being a bad memory chip, if I
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My details are as follows:

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Thanks for the chat on the Amiga 4000 030, please tell me more.
Myself, I only ever used the A500 for games but got bit by the
DTV bug recently and am about to start spending some serious money on
the hobby. Maybe if this thing takes off I can give up my day job..
dreams..... I guess we are all allowed to dream about giving up the day
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Anyways, I've just relocated back to Singapore after a 7 year stint in
UK. Just can't find a single decent Amiga store in town ,
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everyone sells PCs....

The Australian numbers I mentioned are as follows:

OPAL - 612-899-4322

BVM Computer Supplies- Contact Darren
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Regards
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I thought some might be interested:

Recently I've been very frustrated with my Toaster 3.0 vendor for not giving
me timely information regarding 3.1.  After hearing about the vendor's
efforts, being they had no success at contacting Newtek, the following
occurred:

I contacted Newtek re:3.1.   I have the 3.0 software only and want to get
the upgrade.  I never received a registration card but have attempted,
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Because of non-success, I have taken my own course:

I call Newtek: After a fair amount of confusion, I am directed to a very
amiable person named Samantha who attempts to help me.

Purpose of call:  I am a purchaser of 3.0 only, I did not recieve an owner's
registration card. I spoke with my vendor who attempted to cure this problem.
I WANT 3.1!, How do I get it?

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Call Content:   After explaining my concerns to Samantha that I purchased 3.0
but never had a registration opportunity, I ask, "What can I do now,  since
my supplier seamingly cannot help?"

Her Sollution:  {papaphrased} ...'Oh, just give me your name and address and
we'll send you the upgrade, there was no registration card sent with the
package, we're just now fulfilling orders as people call them into us ..."

Dialolgue:      "Do you want my institution {read company} name?  How about the
vendor I bought it from?
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'No, that's okay we're running behind and it would be too difficult to do
that now'

"How long before I get it?"

'About 2-4 weeks"

"Can I get it earlier if I provide a Fed-Ex #?"

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'No, we're overwhelmed with upgrade orders now'.

Obviously Newtek is not prepared to fulfill 3.1 orders.

I find this a simpleton way of addressing a huge problem.  My supplier is
rather large here and they are amazed at Newtek's autonomous attitude. The
fact that I, not my vendor, got through is part of my concern.  The fact
that I, not my vendor, got issue resoluion [sort of] really bugs me.

Maybe I was Lucky. hmmmm.
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Hi,
        This really isn't a Lightwave specific question but does
anyone remember the Cyberspace column in the Dec/Jan 92 issue where
Williams talks about a jpeg image of the world? Would
anyone know where the pic is? Along with the original data
and the program the author used to convert it to the picture?

Thanks,
        Paul Abreu

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More than once people have assumed that NewTek simply copied
Commodore's license because it makes statements that the software
remains the property of Commodore, etc.  The fact is, if you have a
Workbench license from CBM, then you are *required* by the contract
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people use it with a pirated copy of LightWave.  I'm not saying
everyone did.  I'm not saying it's legal or ethical for someone to
purchase a Toaster software upgrade if they didn't own a Toaster.
As for nit-picking whether the license says you can do it or not...
Does this mean you'd actually obey the license if it stated things
more clearly?

But if you have any concern for whether the authors of software are
getting paid for their work, then you should recognize that LightRave
is not a good thing.  And for a group of people who regularly flame
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little conversation about the wisdom of purchasing LightRave when
it's clear that NewTek will do everything it can to prevent you from
using the latest LightWave on the latest LightRave.

NewTek does not owe anyone a standalone version of LightWave.  It's
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What, exactly, is included in the 3.1 Lightwave upgrade?  Is it an update to
Lightwave itself?  To Modeler?  Both?

What changes/features/improvements/bug fixes are included?

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>I'll send 'em.
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>                         -- David Schachter

Every message sent to the LightWave, Toaster and 3DStudio mailing lists are
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> The reason for using super black is to
> have a hard definition of what is background without resorting to mattes.

> Simply adjusting the ouput of your video device to achieve super black is
> defeating its intended purpose.
...
> Perhaps it
> hasn't been implemented because NewTek feels that matting with LW's new
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  In most cases it is, unless you have to do the keying downstream, or at
another location. Could you not use the alpha channel playback and key the
LW anim over one of the Toaster's "unused" inputs, which supposably feed
0 IRE superblack? Then you would have 7.5 IRE black for rendered areas, and
the alpha channel would show-through superblack in the backgrounds.

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 > But in any case, I don't have access to the encoding function source
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Someone on the Fido echo posted that LightRave wasn't running with 3.1 either..
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Can somebody help me build a Toaster system???

I'm an A2000 owner and am planning on buying a Toaster in the near
future.  But do I soup up my 2000 or buy a 4000?

I'll be using Lightwave primarily, so that's why I've come to this list.
What does AGA buy me?  If I were to use my 2000, I'd need more memory,
speed and HD space (I've got the stock 2000HD).

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Should this be a difficult decision or am I just neurotic?


Thanks for any help.

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On Tue, 11 Jan 1994 [e-mail] wrote:

> And Are their any FTP sites for LightWave Objects/Scene`s?  If not, then can
> I start one? Who would be willing to open the area?

YES!  Avalon.chinalake.navy.mil has set up a new directory for Lightwave
objects.  The only object there now is a conversion of the carrier USS
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uploaded different directories will be established to organize things
along the lines of the way your LightWave directories on your hard
drive.  Easy to understand and navigate.

By the way, Avalon has moved to a new IP, but the name
avalon.chinalake.navy.mil is still mapped to the old IP.  Until the new
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In article  <[e-mail]> Mark Thompson <[e-mail]> writes:
> John Gross did a quick little write-up on one solution to this problem in
     [etc. nuked]
> pretty pictures :-) see LightWave Pro.

     Thanks Mark. I came across this about a day after I posted. Its a
solution, but doesn't help me much in this situation. The angle & placement
of the polygons is particularly crazy and a pain to get at no matter how
I go about it. Luckly some creative Boolean Adding fixed things up.
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LW could directly render the splines. But in lew of that how about the ability
to define patchs in modeler without having to set the polygon mesh for every
patch. Instead you'd just define you spline cage with all it's patches and then
once it's finished you can polygonize the whole object with some sort of
threshold level for detail.
     Currently, I spend too much time fussing around with the patching making
sure that the values are correct to give a continous mesh. Still its nice to
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|about the price/performance/security of anything, I've seen very
|little conversation about the wisdom of purchasing LightRave when
|it's clear that NewTek will do everything it can to prevent you from
|using the latest LightWave on the latest LightRave.

        That stood out to me as well.  I don't want to buy into a
        combination of products that are at war with one another.

|NewTek does not owe anyone a standalone version of LightWave.  It's
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|from the Toaster.  LightWave is a great 3D program.  It's sold a lot
|of Toasters.  Repeat these two facts to yourself until you
|understand.

        No one is disputing the fact.  Hats off to NewTek.  And noone is
        claiming that NewTek "owes" anyone a standalone version of
        LightWave.  Of course they don't.  We are merely suggesting there
        are many people that want to use it without the toaster dongle.  I
        agree that it is speculation as to whether or LW sales would
        increase if it was stand alone.  But really, doesn't it make
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        there.  There are plenty of people that recognise the quality of
        the product, but don't need the video studio features of the toaster.
        It's a marketing suggestion.  What wrong with that?

        Dale
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> Today the administrators at Avalon are setting up a new subdirectory fo=
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Cool!

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On Jan 12, Don (Don Bayless) wrote:

>
>  I had the same problem and it ended up being a bad memory chip, if I
> recall MicroBotics as a memory tester out in BBS land...
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Hello Don,

If you have this Mem-test prog from MircorBotics, could you uuencode
it and send it to me.  Have been looking for a good mem-test prog to
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|Are all the owners of DPS PAR boards aware the current software revision is
|now 1.61?  When I purchased my setup in September(?) it had version 1.16.
|There have been some very significant changes/improvements since this,
|including integration with the SMPTE generator form Studio 16, two disk
|capability (Master/Slave) and info on the wider range of drives now
|supported.
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|I wasn't aware DPS maintained a bulletin board with free software upgrades
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|Of course, I left the BBS number at home today.  I'll try to post it either
|this evening or tomorrow morning.

        Thanks.  Please do.

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> > Date sent:      Tue, 11 Jan 94 15:33:00 CST
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> > Is anyone interested in putting a Video together of Amiga Animations?
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> I'm game. Our animation are done through the real time mode of the
> toaster. We have Sony 5800 and 5850's without frame accurate
> capabilities so anything that is pretty complication ends up in lo
> res. But I've done a few I'd be willing to share. My stuff is
> educational based. I create video tapes for the general public to
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Hello fellow NoDak-ean..

I have noticed your address on here before and have ment to drop ya a
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I would like to see MSU get a Toaster or two, but they say it is not
in the budget.  (But $300,000 worth of other video equipement is???)
Then John Vegastead (NBC news anchor in Minot) said the year before
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now 1.61?  When I purchased my setup in September(?) it had version 1.16.
I wasn't aware DPS maintained a bulletin board with free software upgrades
Of course, I left the BBS number at home today.  I'll try to post it either
this evening or tomorrow morning.

Paul

Wow!  I think I have 1.13 or something!  PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post the
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This is good news.  I have been waiting and waiting for an update.

Thanks for the info...if all I have to do is download it.

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Yes!  I donwloaded the new version of the par version.  A lot of
changes from 1.16 to 1.61.  I won't bother to list them. Except
to say it seems the PAR now loads IFF24, TGA and SGI format.

The BBS number is 1-416-754-8368

It seems they support at least 14400 baud.

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I am in need of an UNBIASED, OBJECTIVE opinion.

Five years ago, I spent a lot of time working with Sculpt-Animate 4D. I
haven't touched it much in the last few years because of time
constraints. However, I now want to get back into 3D modeling and
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My arsenal consists of a 2000, a 4000/040 and a 486/33, so I am slightly
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areas does each excel? Keep in mind that from a financial standpoint, 3D
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Any and all feedback is appreciated.

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as with most things broken if you say enough foul language over
them you usually can find out whats wrong with them. As it
turned out our problems seem to have been isolated to 1 bad
SIMM.  Now the big problem is getting CMS to replace it. Thanks
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>Actually, using alpha instead of superblack is SUPERIOR because superblack
>only gives you a one-bit-deep matte. I really can't imagine too many cases
>where anyone would really have a good use for superblack in a toaster
>context.

        However your imagination stacks up, many places I deal with have
        requested superblack signals.  I do a song and dance and give them
        an alpha channel mask.

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        simpler to deal with than dicking around with the alpha channel
        animation.  Especially since I currently don't have a >good< way of
        making the time code on the alpha channel match the time code on the
        animation itself.  I have been putting in a 1 frame "flash" to help
        the editor sync up, but that means I'm just putting the work off onto
        him/her instead of giving them a GOOD solution, a one-step solution.

        Which is what they'd have with a recordable superblack.

        Of course, you are correct in saying that alpha masks are superior
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 The only gear that could usefully process a signal containing
>superblack would imply an environment with enough video gear that you could
>always copy the Toaster matte in B&W (or the alpha channel, for that matter)
>and renormalize the signal so that you get superblack before shoving it
>all into your Encore or switcher or whatever.
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        wha'z dat?

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        As you say.  My comments only make sense if superblack is recordable.

        Another drag is the fact that the alpha channel that Lightwave
        creates is 8-bit grey scale (perfectly reasonable) but that the
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This is my first posting to this list.  Where I work, we have a Toaster but
we only use it for editing and for the CG.  I'm trying to learn how to use
Lightwave and I've run across a slight problem.  How do you position images
maps?  I'm familiar with Imagine, and I know you can scale and precisly
position the image maps where you want, how do you do it in LW?  For example,
if I want to put a logo on the tail of a plane but only want it to ba a small
one down in the corner of the tail.  All I can seem to do now is project the
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Does anyone know what I mean?

Do I just have to read the manual again?  Can someone tell me exactly where
to look?


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I would also like to use the same logo in presentation that I'm doing in LW 3.0.
My friend who uses Macintosh says that a program called Fontographer 4.0 (Altsys)
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> I'm an A2000 owner and am planning on buying a Toaster in the near
> future.  But do I soup up my 2000 or buy a 4000?
>
> I'll be using Lightwave primarily, so that's why I've come to this list.
> What does AGA buy me?  If I were to use my 2000, I'd need more memory,
> speed and HD space (I've got the stock 2000HD).
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sell for about $1200us.

If you were also going to use this system as a video switcher then I would
consider the A4000, because of the AGA chip set.  The switcher uses the AGA
graphics modes to create alpha channel desolves and transparency in some of
the effects.

BTW, I use a toaster in a A4000 and and A2000.  The A2000 with a GVP040-33mhz
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ML> More than once people have assumed that NewTek simply copied
ML> Commodore's license because it makes statements that the software
ML> remains the property of Commodore, etc.  The fact is, if you have a
ML> Workbench license from CBM, then you are *required* by the contract
ML> to include this license verbatim.  Almost everyone's license envelope
ML> carries the same text.

ML> Repeat these two facts to yourself until you understand.

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simply copied it and forget or neglect to change the name.  (Unless you
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ML> more clearly?

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 > Obviously Newtek is not prepared to fulfill 3.1 orders.
 >
 > I find this a simpleton way of addressing a huge problem.  My
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registered Toaster 4000 owners received their upgrades in the mail, and another
set for 3.0 if they were double-up deals.

The problem lies in the fact that 3.0 was released before this whole LightRave
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I have had similar dealings with NewTek. As fairness, a company that is
experiencing the growth that NewTek is will have some problems. However,
coming from the "Quality in American Companies" area the CEOs don't know
of this problem. It is up to us to let them know when something is good
or bad. Remember to send the good also.

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to the VP Paul Montgomery. This will be intercepted by their executive
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The Avalon site is now fully IP mapped to the correct location.  Don't
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> This is good news.  I have been waiting and waiting for an update.
>
> Thanks for the info...if all I have to do is download it.
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> Mike C.
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There Direct Phone Number is [phone], they support at least 14.4...

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On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, Eric Danas wrote:
>
> I am in need of an UNBIASED, OBJECTIVE opinion.

OK, I'll try.  I've reviewed this product for 3D Artist magazine, and been
a beta tester since October.
>
> Five years ago, I spent a lot of time working with Sculpt-Animate 4D. I
> haven't touched it much in the last few years because of time
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off.  Byte by Byte is still in the 3D market.  Their product for the PC is
called Envisage 3D, and SA4D owners get a hefty discount.  They also have
educational discounts, so I'm not sure which will get you your best price.
There are also group purchase discounts for schools, so you might be able
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ML> I think Newtek's doing a pretty decent job concerning 3.1 upgrades. All
ML> the registered Toaster 4000 owners received their upgrades in the mail,
ML> and another set for 3.0 if they were double-up deals.

ML> The problem lies in the fact that 3.0 was released before this whole
ML> LightRave farce, so NewTek did not anticipate having to clamp down on
ML> upgrades (it was expected that anyone buying an upgrade would already
ML> have a Toaster), therefore no registration cards were included..

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2) It should've been obvious to Newtek (as it was to most everyone else)
that a great many double-up packages were going to go to people who would
sell the old Toaster and 3.0 software while keeping the new Toaster...
Even if they didn't figure that one out, there is NO excuse for not
having a registration card in the 3.0 packages (what'd they save, a
nickel?)  Now they have a situation where anyone calls up and says
they're the owner of a Toaster and 3.0...no proof.  Face it, they blew
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were too busy partying maybe.  So they goofed and now they should get it
straightened out and try to do better next time.

Oh yeah, it's all LightRave's fault...isn't it about time everyone quit
flogging that horse and held Newtek accountable for their actions.
That's how you get good service, not by fawning all over a company and
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  I have just gotten a brand new A4000/Video Toaster 4000 system.  I am
using the new 3.1 software.  I have 18 megs of RAM.  My problem is doing
anims through the Toaster.  As the anim renders in Lightwave the color and
brightness look fine.  However, when I go to play the anim it gets a bit
brighter and the color shifts a bit to the yellow.  In general the results
are unacceptable.

  The firat call to NewTek they suggested that I delete the file HS in the
Toaster directory and restart the Toaster.  This would force me to run
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when it asks to run AutoHue to cancel out and do not run it.  This also
failed to solve the problem.

  On the Third call to NewTek they said that Commodore had a problem with
the Buster chip and that I would have to have it replaced.  They said that
it was soldered to the motherboard so I would need to have a new motherboaed
installed.  I talked with my dealer and they assured me that I had a brand
new A4000 (now three weeks old) and that it had not been sitting on a shelf
somewhere.  We opened it up and looked inside and found that the Buster chip
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out that he has the same problem.

  Is NewTek trying to blame someone else for their problem?  Are others
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should be?  Thanks in advance for your help.

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>
>now 1.61?  When I purchased my setup in September(?) it had version 1.16.
>I wasn't aware DPS maintained a bulletin board with free software upgrades
>Of course, I left the BBS number at home today.  I'll try to post it either
>this evening or tomorrow morning.
>
>Paul
>
>Wow!  I think I have 1.13 or something!  PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post the
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>This is good news.  I have been waiting and waiting for an update.
>
>Thanks for the info...if all I have to do is download it.

Boy I thought everyone knew DPS's BBS Number..  its listed in the manual.

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>                Guess it was an excess of rhetorical zeal that led you
>to claim earlier that you get no money from upgrades.  Ever considered
>politics? ;-)

Read my first message again - I only said we don't get our regular
royalties unless you buy a Toaster (in fact we get a smaller amount).

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packages.  The upgrade comes with lots of legalese on the package and
scans your disks for a valid earlier version.  I guess NewTek will
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upgrades through mail order with serial number checking.  Sort of
reminds me of when Electronic Arts required tearing off and sending
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>       Another drag is the fact that the alpha channel that Lightwave
>       creates is 8-bit grey scale (perfectly reasonable) but that the
>       PAR will not accept 8-bit IFF (only accepts FS & 24bit), which
>       means a trip through ADPro before it can be animated.

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Writes [e-mail] "Anonymous Mystery Poster":
> But it is the ONLY license in the Toaster package, so yes. they DID
> simply copied it and forget or neglect to change the name.  (Unless you
> are suggesting that Newtek intended to sell their software without any
> license at all!)  Why don't you repeat THAT until you understand.

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no difference to many people.  Anyone begging for a pragmatic
explanation of any license must consider that, too.  Again I ask,
"Does your concern with licensing details mean you'd actually honor a
license if it stated things more clearly?"

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> Oh yeah, it's all LightRave's fault...isn't it about time everyone quit
> flogging that horse and held Newtek accountable for their actions.
> That's how you get good service, not by fawning all over a company and
> making excuses for them.  Squeaky wheels, you know...

Oh, no, I think the best way to get service is to praise and
encourage products like LightRave that make it possible to rip off
the company in question.

It would be a good idea to burn down their building, too.  That'll
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>         ain't got mine!
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The last issue was Vol 1 number 2  December93...

The next issue ships soon. I just talked to Avid (friday, with the
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The last issue was Vol 1 number 2  December93...

The next issue ships soon. I just talked to Avid (friday, with the
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Greetings,

I just discovered a problem with my image sizes.
I pick up a brush in Toaster Paint that's 720 X 360. After loading it
into LW the image size is 736 X 360. After spherical mapping the image
(on a sphere)it leaves a black gap.

LW refuses to accept a 720 width and defaults to 736.
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and picking up 720.

Smaller brush sizes seem to hold up well.

Has any one else had this problem? Is this a problem with TPaint?
BTW I'm using 3.1... does this problem exist in 3.0? (I DON"T feel like
reinstalling 3.0 to find out)

Why a 720 X 360 image? Thats the size I found on the nets.

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>  I am designing a logo that will appear in print on documents, envelopes, etc.
> I would also like to use the same logo in presentation that I'm doing in LW 3.0.
> My friend who uses Macintosh says that a program called Fontographer 4.0 (Altsys)
> produces PostScript Type 1, Type 3 and TrueType fonts and it should be possible
> to use them in LW. Unfortunately neither of us owns that program. Can anyone here
> confirm this information?
>
> Thanks in advance,
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>                 fax: [phone]
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I assume you're asking about Fontographer - It can indeed produce custom
PostScript or TrueType fonts. There is also a program called Letrset Font Studio
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You should be able to transfer the font files between the Mac and the Amiga
using MS-DOS floppies, though I've never tried this with fonts.

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>       Of course, you are correct in saying that alpha masks are superior
>       when you are dealing with any kind of transparency in your animation.

Which, as students of aliasing know, means ANY silhouette edge. A good linear
matte is always superior in quality (if not political expedience) to a
simple on-off key, even when all you're doing is laying down character
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>>and renormalize the signal so that you get superblack before shoving it
>>all into your Encore or switcher or whatever.
>              ^^^^^^
>       wha'z dat?

A DVE unit manufactured by Quantel. Still a lot of them around.

>
>       Another drag is the fact that the alpha channel that Lightwave
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>       PAR will not accept 8-bit IFF (only accepts FS & 24bit), which
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>if I want to put a logo on the tail of a plane but only want it to ba a small
>one down in the corner of the tail.  All I can seem to do now is project the
>whole image on to the whole tail.

There are several ways you could do it.  One would be to slice the
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drill) and make the polygons in that area a different surface, then
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>       ain't got mine!


I have had the second issue (volume 1 issue 2, December 93), which focuses
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>
> You'll be happy to know that the next version includes an option to

Is that 3.1 or 3.?, and when will it be out? :)
Thanks,
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Okay, okay.... I give.... I guess I'm gonna have to break down and get
me one of them new-fangled See-Dee Rom drives... <sigh>   :->

Has anyone tried to use an external CDROM player (e.g. an NEC) with a SCSI I/O
and set it up with an A/B switch that would allow it to be used with the
Amiga 2000HD + GVP SCSI, and a MS-DOS 486 clone + SCSI controller???

The idea is that I could use the CDROM for all of the wonderful stuff out there
like the Syndesis CDROM for my Toaster, and still be able to "change horses"
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Like they say, "THEORETICALLY, this SHOULD work" :->.  Am I NUTZ or what?

Any experiences or comments would be welcomed and gratefully appreciated.

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> I pick up a brush in Toaster Paint that's 720 X 360. After loading it
> into LW the image size is 736 X 360. After spherical mapping the image
> (on a sphere)it leaves a black gap.

Toaster Paint is and always has been broken. I do not reccommend using it
for manipulating LW brushmaps. If you need to use it for creating or
modifying a brush, do so and stamp it down and save it as a full RGB image.
Then load that image into ADPro, ImageFX, or whatever and crop out and save
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Writes [e-mail] "Anonymous Mystery Poster":
> But it is the ONLY license in the Toaster package, so yes. they DID
> simply copied it and forget or neglect to change the name.  (Unless you
> are suggesting that Newtek intended to sell their software without any
> license at all!)  Why don't you repeat THAT until you understand.

I've never bothered to search an original Toaster package for
licenses.  If you were looking at the Workbench license, then please
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understand that you are supposed to print it intact.  You aren't
supposed to change it.  Perhaps they did ship without another license.

As I asked the first time, any terms of any license apparently make
no difference to many people.  Anyone begging for a pragmatic
explanation of any license must consider that, too.  Again I ask,
"Does your concern with licensing details mean you'd actually honor a
license if it stated things more clearly?"

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> Oh yeah, it's all LightRave's fault...isn't it about time everyone quit
> flogging that horse and held Newtek accountable for their actions.
> That's how you get good service, not by fawning all over a company and
> making excuses for them.  Squeaky wheels, you know...

Oh, no, I think the best way to get service is to praise and
encourage products like LightRave that make it possible to rip off
the company in question.

It would be a good idea to burn down their building, too.  That'll
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I have the exact same problem.  I'm currently working with New Tek's tech
support trying to reproduce it.

 -Rusty Williams
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|   I have just gotten a brand new A4000/Video Toaster 4000 system.  I am
| using the new 3.1 software.  I have 18 megs of RAM.  My problem is doing
| anims through the Toaster.  As the anim renders in Lightwave the color and
| brightness look fine.  However, when I go to play the anim it gets a bit
| brighter and the color shifts a bit to the yellow.  In general the results
| are unacceptable.
|
|   The firat call to NewTek they suggested that I delete the file HS in the
| Toaster directory and restart the Toaster.  This would force me to run
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| AutoHue again which they sadi would solve the problem.  It did not.  The
| second call to NewTek they suggested that I again delete the file HS but
| when it asks to run AutoHue to cancel out and do not run it.  This also
| failed to solve the problem.
|
|   On the Third call to NewTek they said that Commodore had a problem with
| the Buster chip and that I would have to have it replaced.  They said that
| it was soldered to the motherboard so I would need to have a new
motherboaed
| installed.  I talked with my dealer and they assured me that I had a brand
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| somewhere.  We opened it up and looked inside and found that the Buster
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| is socketed.  This seems to support the idea that I have the latest rev
| motherboard.  I then called a friend who also has a Toaster 4000 and found
| out that he has the same problem.
|
|   Is NewTek trying to blame someone else for their problem?  Are others
| experiencing this problem as well?  Any suggestions on what my next step
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|
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I am currently building a robot of sorts, and am trying to add some hydraulics
and tubes and the like. I also wanted to have a belt feed for his weapon. Main
problem I'm having is that the tubes/etc. have to be anchored to two different
objects (upper arm-lower arm, backpack-gun), and flex in the middle. I have
tried to use bones a bit, but on end always falls short or doesn't keep up
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Figure out the exact positions and have a zillion morph targets?

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Just finally started getting heavy into Splines and the like, and have run into
some problems...Mainly, is there an easy way to remove the splines after you
have patched an object? Does it even matter? Modeler has crashed a number of
times when attempting to perform a Unify on an object built from splines, and
it also gives me a 'Can't Export Current Layers' error shortly before it
buys the farm. Just frustrating to have to keep restarting everything in the
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Not all registered 3.0 owners have received the upgrade to 3.1.
I've not called yet - dread - but will have to real soon if they don't
come through with the goods unprompted.
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|> I'm an A2000 owner and am planning on buying a Toaster in the near
|> future.  But do I soup up my 2000 or buy a 4000?
|>
|> I'll be using Lightwave primarily, so that's why I've come to this list.
|> What does AGA buy me?  If I were to use my 2000, I'd need more memory,
|> speed and HD space (I've got the stock 2000HD).
|>
|Since you own a 2000 I would recomend that you by an 040 accel. board.  You
|can get these boards at 33mhz & 35mhz these days.  This will render scenes in
|lightwave much faster than the 25mhz 040 in the A4000.  I believe that they
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|sell for about $1200us.
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|BTW, I use a toaster in a A4000 and and A2000.  The A2000 with a GVP040-33mhz
|renders scenes in lightwave with the highest antialias in about 5 min. per
|frame.  The A4000 does the same scene in about 15 min.

        I am in a similar situation.  I have a friend that wants to sell
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        I'll be using the Toaster for Lightwave, I don't know if I should
        wait and get a T4000 or get his used system.  I have a 2500/30
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        with the old Toaster card?

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I figure you'll get a lot of replies on this, so I'll keep it short. With the
A4000 you get AGA realtime previews right there on your system. However,
because of a hardware quirk, the A2000 renders faster than the same speed
A4000. If you're doing just flying logos, a 4000 would help you check your
anims in color real-time before committing to tape, and the slowdown in speed
is negligible. However, if you're doing huge landscapes and whatnot that will
take x hours per frame, get a 2000 and load up on RAM. My 2 cents!

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A friend of mine tryed to make a cylinder .5m x 20mi the other day and the
surface normals of the polygons were are facing the same way. }:-/ We
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the right way. I would like to know why is this necessary, is there a
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:Greetings,
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:I just discovered a problem with my image sizes.
:I pick up a brush in Toaster Paint that's 720 X 360. After loading it
:into LW the image size is 736 X 360. After spherical mapping the image
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:I was able to work around (this time) by making the image 736 wide
:and picking up 720.
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:BTW I'm using 3.1... does this problem exist in 3.0? (I DON"T feel like
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Use multiples of 64 for your texture sizes. That will do the trick (use AdPro
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[e-mail] writes:

>       Of course, you are correct in saying that alpha masks are superior
>       when you are dealing with any kind of transparency in your animation.

Which, as students of aliasing know, means ANY silhouette edge. A good linear
matte is always superior in quality (if not political expedience) to a
simple on-off key, even when all you're doing is laying down character
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>>and renormalize the signal so that you get superblack before shoving it
>>all into your Encore or switcher or whatever.
>              ^^^^^^
>       wha'z dat?

A DVE unit manufactured by Quantel. Still a lot of them around.

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>       Another drag is the fact that the alpha channel that Lightwave
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> You'll be happy to know that the next version includes an option to
> save alpha images in 24-bit IFF format, since some other programs have
> trouble with 8-bit IFF images.

As far as alpha is concerned, I would like to see it implemented in a more
standard fashion so that it could be used properly with external software
and equipment. This entails two things: support transparency and do not blend
transparent surfaces with the background color. A good example of LightWave
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>I just discovered a problem with my image sizes.
>I pick up a brush in Toaster Paint that's 720 X 360. After loading it
>into LW the image size is 736 X 360. After spherical mapping the image
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>Has any one else had this problem? Is this a problem with TPaint?
>BTW I'm using 3.1... does this problem exist in 3.0? (I DON"T feel like
>reinstalling 3.0 to find out)

The problem isn't LightWave, its ToasterPaint.  Several months ago either
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>if I want to put a logo on the tail of a plane but only want it to ba a small
>one down in the corner of the tail.  All I can seem to do now is project the
>whole image on to the whole tail.

There are several ways you could do it.  One would be to slice the
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>       ain't got mine!


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On Mon, 17 Jan 1994, Allen D Hastings wrote:

>
> You'll be happy to know that the next version includes an option to

Is that 3.1 or 3.?, and when will it be out? :)
Thanks,
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> save alpha images in 24-bit IFF format, since some other programs have
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> Has anyone tried to use an external CDROM player (e.g. an NEC) with a SCSI I/O
> and set it up with an A/B switch that would allow it to be used with the
> Amiga 2000HD + GVP SCSI, and a MS-DOS 486 clone + SCSI controller???

It wouldn't work.  You would never get the termination right on the port
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>Has anyone tried to use an external CDROM player (e.g. an NEC) with a SCSI I/O
>and set it up with an A/B switch that would allow it to be used with the
>Amiga 2000HD + GVP SCSI, and a MS-DOS 486 clone + SCSI controller???

  You shouldn't even have to use an A/B switch (I`m not sure you could even
  find a SCSI A/B switch) both cpus can hook up to the same SCSI bus at
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        -  the SCSI IDs don't conflict, that is each controller card must have
           a SCSI ID different from the other.

    -  the overall length of the SCSI bus doesn't get too long,  The
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> Okay, okay.... I give.... I guess I'm gonna have to break down and get
> me one of them new-fangled See-Dee Rom drives... <sigh>   :->
>
> Has anyone tried to use an external CDROM player (e.g. an NEC)
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> Amiga 2000HD + GVP SCSI, and a MS-DOS 486 clone + SCSI
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> The idea is that I could use the CDROM for all of the wonderful stuff
out there
> like the Syndesis CDROM for my Toaster, and still be able to
"change horses"
> and use the drive for my Autodesk 3D studio CD that shipped with
3D Studio R3.
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> Like they say, "THEORETICALLY, this SHOULD work" :->.  Am I
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> Regards from a DOS convert,
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If you could get all the controlers and harddrives and the CD-Rom
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| I just discovered a problem with my image sizes.
| I pick up a brush in Toaster Paint that's 720 X 360. After loading it
| into LW the image size is 736 X 360. After spherical mapping the image
| (on a sphere)it leaves a black gap.
        [...]
| Has any one else had this problem? Is this a problem with TPaint?

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Hey all :)

Bug reports and wish list follows:

1. I've done a brush painting the letters TV on a wall. To make the letters
appear appropiately when the brush is painting them, I created a sequence
featuring left-to-right fill from white to black on a brush, and used it as
clip mapping on the polys that make up the letters (Two for the T, two for
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and are numbered: smear.001, smear.<<first frame to be painted>> -
smear.<<last frame to be painted>>. As in smear.001, smear.045,
smear.046... smear.055.

The problem is that when I test render every dozen frames, for example, LW
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This results in wrong brushes being used, if any, and non-accurate renders.
When I render from 1 to 75 step 1, all goes well.

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2. Modeler shakes horribly from left to right and back about 15 pixels, I
think when it's showing polygons in the perspective window - solid moving -
and those polys are too close or too big in relation to the persp window.

                             ->  Wish list  <-

1. Local axis. The pivot point should become an axis, with x,y,z markers.
        Just like Imagine. hence -

2. Local OR global movement and rotation.
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3. Time definitions for textures - start effect on time/frame, and end it
        likewise. Envelope control on these.

4. Object existence for ranges of frames - I need that elephant to appear
        only on frames 200-400, and I don't want it to exist in the scene before
        or after those frames, to save memory or what ever. This would also come
        very handy for morphing objects - No need to load all the targets, just
        the relevant ones to the relevant frames.

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5. Targeting objects to objects - so the flashlight would always point to
        the bee. Again, Imagine inspired.

6. Mulit-select objects, for manipulation of more than one object
        simultaneously.

7. Closing the Layout screen while rendering. Chip RAM saver. Helps
        multi-tasking on 1 meg chip machines.

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Okay, okay.... I give.... I guess I'm gonna have to break down and get
me one of them new-fangled See-Dee Rom drives... <sigh>   :->

Has anyone tried to use an external CDROM player (e.g. an NEC) with a SCSI I/O
and set it up with an A/B switch that would allow it to be used with the
Amiga 2000HD + GVP SCSI, and a MS-DOS 486 clone + SCSI controller???

The idea is that I could use the CDROM for all of the wonderful stuff out there
like the Syndesis CDROM for my Toaster, and still be able to "change horses"
and use the drive for my Autodesk 3D studio CD that shipped with 3D Studio R3.
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Like they say, "THEORETICALLY, this SHOULD work" :->.  Am I NUTZ or what?

Any experiences or comments would be welcomed and gratefully appreciated.

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> Has anyone tried to use an external CDROM player (e.g. an NEC) with a SCSI I/O
> and set it up with an A/B switch that would allow it to be used with the
> Amiga 2000HD + GVP SCSI, and a MS-DOS 486 clone + SCSI controller???
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        This would work provided that you didn't try to switch the
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Hi , I just wanted to know if anyone had a good list of PD fonts I could
use with the toastfont utility to get some new fonts...

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 I probably should have sent this to the general toaster discussion
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>>Has anyone tried to use an external CDROM player (e.g. an NEC) with a SCSI
>I/O
>>and set it up with an A/B switch that would allow it to be used with the
>>Amiga 2000HD + GVP SCSI, and a MS-DOS 486 clone + SCSI controller???

I don't really want to get into such hardware issues on this list but I
wouldn't do this switch thing.  Either turn everything off and then connect it
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> I pick up a brush in Toaster Paint that's 720 X 360. After loading it
> into LW the image size is 736 X 360. After spherical mapping the image
> (on a sphere)it leaves a black gap.

Toaster Paint is and always has been broken. I do not reccommend using it
for manipulating LW brushmaps. If you need to use it for creating or
modifying a brush, do so and stamp it down and save it as a full RGB image.
Then load that image into ADPro, ImageFX, or whatever and crop out and save
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>Has anyone tried to use an external CDROM player (e.g. an NEC) with a SCSI I/O
>and set it up with an A/B switch that would allow it to be used with the
>Amiga 2000HD + GVP SCSI, and a MS-DOS 486 clone + SCSI controller???

I don't have it on an A/B switch, but I have a Toshiba drive that does this.

When I want to use it on the other machine, I just turn everything off, unplug
the drive, and cart it over to the other machine.

>The idea is that I could use the CDROM for all of the wonderful stuff out there
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>like the Syndesis CDROM for my Toaster, and still be able to "change horses"
>and use the drive for my Autodesk 3D studio CD that shipped with 3D Studio R3.

This should work fine.  I use the Xetec CD-ROM software, and I haven't had a
problem with anything I've tried with it so far.  Since you'll just be getting
data from the 3DSR3 disc, you should be able to get it with no problem.  In
fact, the Syndesis 3D ROM will work fine on the PC as well.

>Like they say, "THEORETICALLY, this SHOULD work" :->.  Am I NUTZ or what?

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It does work....as for the nuts part.....?  :-) :-) :-)


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Flexing Robot hydraulic tubes.
I certainly haven't used bones enough to be an axpert (or just LightWave
for that matter) but here's the approach I would take.

Model the Entire robot, hoses and all as one object, and use bones for
all the movement.  Using one object would aleviate ay problems of the
hose ends not linging up properly.  I am assuming of course that this
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On Jan 18  9:04 94, [e-mail] wrote:

>because of a hardware quirk, the A2000 renders faster than the same speed
>A4000. If you're doing just flying logos, a 4000 would help you check your
>anims in color real-time before committing to tape, and the slowdown in speed
>is negligible. However, if you're doing huge landscapes and whatnot that will
>take x hours per frame, get a 2000 and load up on RAM. My 2 cents!

    as far as i know, the T4000 will run faster than a normal A4000
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because the 040 is on the board and not on a plug in card. the card was
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the card slowed the 040 down. the T4000 doesnt have such circuitry (as
it is designed to run only the 040) and there fore will allow the 040
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Daryl Bartley Wrote:

>Is there an easy way to remove splines after you have created your patch?

Daryl, the three or four splines you used to create your splines are still
selected after you create your patches. Just hit polygon on the left bottom
and your splines are still selected. It's a perfect time to CUT them and then
put them away for safe keeping. I usually drop them down on the last layer
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Does anyone out there know the file format specs for Lightwave?
If this has already been asked I missed it. At work we are
evaluating modelers and if I can get the specs I may be able
to convince them to use Lightwave. Right now we are looking
at ModelGen on the SGI, but even a Toaster system is cheaper
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Allen Hastings, author of Lightwave, writes:

>[e-mail] writes:
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>>       Another drag is the fact that the alpha channel that Lightwave
>>       creates is 8-bit grey scale (perfectly reasonable) but that the
>>       PAR will not accept 8-bit IFF (only accepts FS & 24bit), which
>>       means a trip through ADPro before it can be animated.
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>save alpha images in 24-bit IFF format, since some other programs have
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>big...
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        DPS to accept 8-bit instead.  That way we wouldn't be buying
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        Guess I oughter get on David White ([e-mail]) 's
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        If there were some way to stream TWO video (data) feeds to the
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        Why is the A4000 slower at rendering than the equivelant 2000 based
        accelerator card?  Someone mentioned that their A2000 with 040/33mhz
        card renders a scene in 5 mins, his A4000 in 15 mins,  Why such a
        difference?

        Is there any way around the A4000 quirk?  Will the new GVP 040/40mhz
        card for the A3000/4000 get around this and give me much better
        rendering times?

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        (2nd Question),
        With all these new High Resolution 1280x1024 graphics cards comming
        out for the Amiga,  would lightwave take advantage of this?  It would
        be great to use the LightWave Modeller at 1024x768, or higher,  this
        would definatly give LightWave the look & Feel of a Silicon Graphics
        machine,  I find using LightWave on my 1084S monitor alot different
        to using the Silicon Graphics at work.


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On Mon, 17 Jan 1994, Donald J. Nelson wrote:

> Not all registered 3.0 owners have received the upgrade to 3.1.
> I've not called yet - dread - but will have to real soon if they don't
> come through with the goods unprompted.
> Don Nelson in Chapel Hill
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> PS Does anyone Know what happened to the Toast Posties in Raleigh ??
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I too am waiting... However, I was pointed to the 3.1 update by their
Tech Support to fix some problems with using a GVP 040 accellerator.

The word I got from CUstomer Service yesterday was that NewTek is
incredibly "back-ordered" on shippint the update.  They told me
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I purchased a collection of PostScript Type 1 fonts, sold for use with
Microsoft Windows.  I couldn't load them with CG or Modeller because
NewTek only supports ASCII font metric files.  The fonts came only with
binary fint metric files.  NewTek hotline support claims there are
public domain utils that will convert the binary files to ascii.  They
didn't name any - does anyone out there know of a PD util that will do
this?  I'm too stingy to buy a font editor (it's too much power for such
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>> I pick up a brush in Toaster Paint that's 720 X 360. After loading it
>> into LW the image size is 736 X 360. After spherical mapping the image
>> (on a sphere)it leaves a black gap.
>
>Toaster Paint is and always has been broken. I do not reccommend using it
>for manipulating LW brushmaps. If you need to use it for creating or
>modifying a brush, do so and stamp it down and save it as a full RGB image.
>Then load that image into ADPro, ImageFX, or whatever and crop out and save
>the part you are interested in. LW will correctly accept brushes/images of
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        Well, no need to save it as a full screen and then crop it.  Simply
        save it as a (broken) brush in TPaint , import THAT into ADPro and
        crop it.

        Same effect, but you save a teensy bit of hard drive space, and
        a little time saving and loading it.



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        For those who might have missed the promos, Babylon V will be
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        As a LW enthusiast, I strongly suggest you see the inspiring work
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        If you find yourself watching Star Trek TNG, you'll agree, J.
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In article <[e-mail]> "Daryl T. Bartley" <[e-mail]> writes:
> Just finally started getting heavy into Splines and the like, and have run into
> some problems...Mainly, is there an easy way to remove the splines after you
> have patched an object? Does it even matter? Modeler has crashed a number of

     Using polygon selection bring up the Stats (w key). Theres an entry for
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>  Will future upgrades of Lightwave always be compatable with the
>  old Toaster card?

According to my dealer, NewTek has announced that future updates
(after 3.1) will *NOT* work with the old Toaster 2000 cards.  He
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| Just finally started getting heavy into Splines and the like, and have
| some problems...Mainly, is there an easy way to remove the splines after you
| have patched an object? Does it even matter?

There are two things I can recomend here.  One way to get rid of the
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| Modeler has crashed a number of
| times when attempting to perform a Unify on an object built from splines, and
| it also gives me a 'Can't Export Current Layers' error shortly before it
| buys the farm. Just frustrating to have to keep restarting everything in the
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I'm sorry to hear that.  Perhaps if you could make a simple case that
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I had this sent to me from a friend of mine and figures that some of
you out there might be interested.  For this who don't have FTP access but
can uuencode, I would be happy to post them for you.

IMPORTANT!!  Anims must be MPEGed!  Quicktime is also submitable, but who
would want to do that?  GIF, JPEG and BMP are what is wanted for stills.
I'm trying to get this guy to get a hold of a toaster, and if I do, I'll let
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ATTENTION IMAGE-MAKERS AROUND THE GLOBE
    SHINE BRIGHT IN NORTHERN USA AROUND
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                The Rogue nightclub
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                        s m a r t B O M B
                                      1.0

                           the first in a
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               digital media experiences,
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                        FRIDAY JANUARY 28
                1994 ----<            and
                      SATURDAY JANUARY 29

                     Minneapolis, MN  USA


                Video walls and computer
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                ALL IMAGES ACCEPTED
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                        expose digital video of your nephew
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                        upload your favorite fractals
                        scan your maliable body-parts

                smartBOMB is trying to build
                a massive stockpile of images
                which will be used to bombard
                the gyrating masses...so don't
                be shy

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                        EXTRA PLEASES FOR: ANIMATION and DIGITAL VID

                For more information about smartBOMB, send
                email to: Robert Stephens ([e-mail])

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                DON'T FORGET THE COLLABORATION PROJECT!
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        ---------------         Yet another in an ongoing
         S Y N E R G Y          series of collaborative
           P A N I C            image projects for final
        ---------------         exhibition on the OTIS
        -----  !  -----         on-line gallery.

        SYNERGY:PANIC will be a real-time collaborative
        project taking place during smartBOMB's first
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        PANIC will start at 10:30pm and go on into the
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        To participate, you must have a net-connection
        on that evening and be willing to be available
        between the hours of 10pm and 4am Central
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        Patrons of the Rogue club during smartBOMB 1.0
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        and uploaded to the OTIS FTP site as quickly
        as possible (they will have Internet connections
        at the event).  These pictures will be uploaded
        to a special directory at OTIS and participating
        artists will download them, manipulate them,
        and upload the manipulated image as fast as
        they can (ideally within 10 minutes).

        The images, when returned, will be displayed on
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        video walls and screens at the Rogue club....
        the cycle will be complete and people will see
        themselves through the eyes of mathematics and
        human-imagination.  Cyborg snapshots.

        Ideally, this will be entertaining for the
        image-manipulators as well as the patrons of
        the club.  Entertaining...and perhaps a bit
        frightening.

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        This quick manipulation will test the skills of
        the participating artists under time restrictions.
        Panic induced creativity.

        Participants should probably have two terminals
        available to them during the event.  One to
        monitor the FTP directory and one to manipulate
        and transfer finished images.

        At any point, the participating artists may
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        the distortion, deepening the vision (or making it
        totally unrecogniseable).

        The end products of SYNERGY:PANIC will be
        placed into the OTIS directories soon following
        the event, for all to see.

        Each participating image-tweaker will be assigned
        and identification number to use when uploading
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        you need to send email to reserve your ID to:

                [e-mail]
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        Further information about the FTP directory and
        naming conventions will be sent along with the ID#.

        ***  Deadline for sign-up is January 28th at 6pm CST.  ***
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>On Mon, 17 Jan 1994, Allen D Hastings wrote:
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>> You'll be happy to know that the next version includes an option to
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>Is that 3.1 or 3.?, and when will it be out? :)

Probably 4.0, and your guess is as good as mine. :)
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  I called,
        I was told I'd have to wait a month for the upgrade :'(.
        Of course that could be because I bought the 3.0 software upgrade.
        Those who bought the 4000 toast, would get thiers sooner I'd Xpect.

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Does anyone here record animation frames on an Exabyte 8505 with ADPro's
Abekas driver?  A correspondent of mine is not skilled enough to get FRED
to do what he wants, and ASDG apparently isn't much help. I suggested
ProControl, and he asked ASDG about that, and they said no go.  If
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> If this has already been asked I missed it.
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                   LIGHTWAVE 3D OBJECT FILE FORMAT

                          by Allen Hastings
                           revised  4/9/91


Introduction
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  LightWave 3D objects are stored as IFF files with a FORM type of
  LWOB.  Currently, a FORM LWOB must contain a PNTS chunk, a SRFS
  chunk, and a POLS chunk (in that order).  These may be followed by
  zero or more SURF chunks.  In the future there may be "surface
  library" files that contain only SURF chunks.

  This document explains the contents of each chunk and includes an
  annotated listing of a FORM LWOB as an example.

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PNTS Chunk

  This chunk contains a list of the X, Y, and Z coordinates of all
  the points in an object.  Each coordinate is stored as a four byte
  floating point number in IEEE format.  Therefore,the number of
  points in an object can be determined by dividing the size in bytes
  of the PNTS chunk by 12.

  By convention, the +X direction is to the right or east, the +Y
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  direction is upward, and the +Z direction is forward or north.
  For models of real-world objects, the unit size is usually
  considered to be one meter.  The coordinates are specified relative
  to an object's pivot point.  See the LightWave Modeler manual for
  more information about LightWave 3D's geometric conventions.


SRFS Chunk

  This chunk contains a list of the names of all the surfaces in an
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  object (note that in LightWave 3D terminology, the word "surface"
  is defined as a set of attributes that describe the color and
  shading characteristics of a group of polygons).  Each surface name
  appears as a null-terminated character string.  If the length of
  the string (including the null) is odd, an extra null byte is
  added.  Surface names should be read from the file until as many
  bytes as the chunk size specifies have been read.


POLS Chunk
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  This chunk contains a list of all the polygons in an object.  Each
  entry consists of a short integer specifying the number of vertices
  in a polygon followed by that many short integers specifying the
  vertices themselves (as indices into the points list) followed by a
  short integer specifying which surface is used by the polygon (as
  an index into the surfaces list).  The number of vertices in a
  polygon currently may vary from one to 200.  The vertex list for
  each polygon should begin at a convex vertex and proceed clockwise
  as seen from the visible side of the polygon (LightWave 3D polygons
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  are single-sided).  The points list in the PNTS chunk is numbered
  starting with zero and the surfaces list in the SRFS chunk is
  numbered starting with one (so that surface numbers can be made
  negative to signal the presence of detail polygons as explained
  below).  Polygons should be read from the file until as many bytes
  as the chunk size specifies have been read.

  A negative surface number for a polygon indicates that the polygon
  has detail polygons (which are drawn on top of the main polygon and
  may be coplanar with it).  In this case, the next number in the
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  file is a short integer specifying how many detail polygons belong
  to the current polygon.  This is followed by a list of those detail
  polygons, where each entry is of the same format as described above
  for regular polygons (except that the detail polygons cannot have
  details of their own).  The list of regular polygons then resumes.
  To determine which surface is used by a polygon with a negative
  surface number, the absolute value of that number should be used.


SURF Chunks
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  Each SURF chunk describes the surface attributes of a particular
  surface.  These chunks begin with the name of the surface being
  described.  The name is stored as a character string with either
  one or two trailing nulls (as explained in the SRFS chunk section).
  Following the name is a series of sub-chunks, which are like normal
  IFF chunks except that their sizes are specified by short integers
  instead of longs.  It is likely that the variety of sub-chunks will
  grow as new surface attributes are added to the program, but any
  unknown sub-chunks may be skipped over in the usual IFF fashion.
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  Sub-chunks should be read from the file until as many bytes as the
  chunk size specifies have been read.

  COLR Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk consists of three bytes that specify the red,
    green, and blue color components of the current surface, followed
    by a byte which is currently ignored and should be zero.  A
    surface can therefore be any of 16,777,216 possible colors.

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  FLAG Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a short integer whose bits specify
    various options for the current surface.  Currently only the
    seven least significant bits are used.  The options that set bits
    indicate are (starting with the least significant bit):
    Luminous, Outline, Smoothing, Color Highlights, Color Filter,
    Opaque Edge, Transparent Edge, and Sharp Terminator.  Note that
    the two edge transparency bits should not both be set.

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  DIFF, SPEC, REFL, and TRAN Sub-Chunks

    Each of these sub-chunks contain a short integer that specifies
    the current surface's diffuse, specular, reflection mapping, or
    transparency settings.  A value of 256 in the file corresponds to
    a setting of 100% on the control panel.  If any of these sub-
    chunks are absent for a surface, a value of zero is assumed for
    the corresponding parameter.

  GLOS Sub-Chunk
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    This sub-chunk contains a short integer that specifies the
    glossiness of the current surface, and is only needed if the
    specular setting in the SPEC sub-chunk is non-zero.  A value of
    16 indicates low glossiness, 64 indicates medium glossiness, and
    256 indicates high glossiness.  This parameter is related to the
    "specular exponent" used in many lighting models.

  RIMG Sub-Chunk

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    This sub-chunk contains the filename (including any path the user
    may have specified) of the image to be used as a reflection map
    for the current surface.  Once again, if the length of the string
    (including the terminating null) is odd, another null is added.
    If the last part of the string is " (sequence)", then the first
    part of the string specifies the prefix of an image sequence (the
    actual filename in this case is generated by appending a three
    digit frame number to the prefix when loading the image file for
    each frame).  If the reflection map setting in the REFL sub-chunk
    is non-zero but no RIMG sub-chunk is present, then the surface is
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    assumed to reflect the sky and ground backdrop.

  CTEX, DTEX, STEX, RTEX, TTEX, and BTEX Sub-Chunks

    The presence of one of these sub-chunks indicates that the
    current surface has a color, diffuse, specular, reflection,
    transparency, or bump texture.  The contents of the sub-chunk is
    a character string (terminated by one or two nulls as usual)
    specifying the texture type as shown on the control panel.  Once
    one of these sub-chunks is encountered within a SURF chunk, all
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    subsequent texture-related sub-chunks (those described below) are
    considered to pertain to the current texture, until another CTEX,
    DTEX, STEX, RTEX, TTEX, or BTEX sub-chunk is read.  Currently
    there may be zero or one of each of these sub-chunks (up to six
    textures) in each SURF chunk.

  TIMG Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk specifies the filename of the image (or the prefix
    of the image sequence) to be used for image texture mapping.  See
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    the description of the RIMG sub-chunk above for more details.

  TFLG Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a short integer whose bits specify
    various options for the current texture.  Currently only the
    six least significant bits are used.  The options that set bits
    indicate are (starting with the least significant bit):  X Axis,
    Y Axis, Z Axis, World Coords, Negative Image, and Pixel Blending.
    Note that only one of the three axis bits should be set.
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  TSIZ, TCTR, TFAL, and TVEL Sub-Chunks

    These sub-chunks each consist of three IEEE four byte floating
    point numbers that specify the X, Y, and Z components of the
    current texture's size, center, falloff, or velocity.  The TCTR,
    TFAL, and TVEL sub-chunks are only needed if the corresponding
    parameters are non-zero.

  TCLR Sub-Chunk
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    This sub-chunk contains four bytes that specify the texture color
    for the current texture, which should be of the color-modifying
    variety (in other words, there should be a CTEX sub-chunk
    somewhere before this sub-chunk).  The bytes are interpreted as
    described above in the COLR sub-chunk section.

  TVAL Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a short integer that specifies the
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    texture value of a diffuse, specular, reflection, or transparency
    texture, so it should appear somewhere after a DTEX, STEX, RTEX,
    or TTEX sub-chunk.  A value of 256 in the file corresponds to a
    a setting of 100% on the control panel.

  TAMP Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a four byte IEEE floating point number
    that specifies the amplitude of the current bump texture, so it
    should appear somewhere after a BTEX sub-chunk.  A value of 1.0
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    is equivalent to a setting of 100% on the control panel.

  TFRQ Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a short integer that specifies the number
    of noise frequencies or wave sources used by the current texture.

  TSP0, TSP1, and TSP2 Sub-Chunks

    These sub-chunks each contain a four byte IEEE floating point
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    number that specifies one of the special texture type-specific
    parameters (such as Contrast, Turbulence, Wavelength, etc).
    Which sub-chunk is used to record a particular parameter depends
    on the order in which that parameter's button appears on the
    control panel.  In the future there may be more than three of
    these per texture.


Object File Example

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  A simple object (with somewhat complex surfaces) is listed below to
  illustrate some of the features of a FORM LWOB.  The object is an
  image-mapped bumpy square polygon in the XY plane with a shiny
  transparent yellow triangle as a detail polygon.  Each line of the
  listing shows 16 bytes in hexadecimal form followed by their ASCII
  equivalents.  The notes under each line should be read from left to
  right rather than top to bottom.

  464F524D 0000019C 4C574F42 504E5453    FORM....LWOBPNTS
  00000054 3F800000 3F800000 00000000    ...T?...?.......
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           ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
           The X, Y, and Z coordinates of point number zero are 1.0,
           1.0, and 0.0 (in IEEE format).
      ^^^^
      There are 84 bytes in the PNTS chunk, so there are seven points
      in the object.

  BF800000 3F800000 00000000 3F800000    ....?.......?...
  BF800000 00000000 BF800000 BF800000    ................
  00000000 3F000000 BF000000 00000000    ....?...........
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  00000000 3F000000 00000000 BF000000    ....?...........
  BF000000 00000000 53524653 00000012    ........SRFS....
  53717561 72650000 54726961 6E676C65    Square..Triangle
               ^^^^
               The surface name "Square" is terminated with two nulls
               to even out the number of bytes.

  0000504F 4C530000 00180004 00010000    ..POLS..........
                        ^^^^
                        The first polygon has four vertices (which
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                        are points 1, 0, 2, and 3).

  00020003 FFFF0001 00030005 00040006    ................
                    ^^^^
                    The detail polygon has three vertices (which are
                    points 5, 4, and 6).
               ^^^^
               One detail polygon follows.
           ^^^^
           The first polygon's surface code is -1, so it uses surface
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           number one ("Square") and has detail polygons.

  00025355 52460000 00AE5371 75617265    ..SURF....Square
      ^^^^ ^^^^
      This begins the description of the surface called "Square".
  ^^^^
  The detail polygon uses surface number two ("Triangle").

  0000434F 4C520004 C8C8C800 464C4147    ..COLR......FLAG
  00020000 44494646 00020100 43544558    ....DIFF....CTEX
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                             ^^^^^^^^
                             The next set of texture sub-chunks
                             pertain to the surface's color texture.
                        ^^^^
                        The "Square" surface's diffuse setting is
                        100% (256 out of 256).

  0012506C 616E6172 20496D61 6765204D    ..Planar Image M
      ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
      The color texture is planar mapping of the image in the IFF
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      file "RAM:Laura".

  61700000 54494D47 000A5241 4D3A4C61    ap..TIMG..RAM:La
  75726100 54464C47 00020004 5453495A    ura.TFLG....TSIZ
                        ^^^^
                        The flag bits indicate that the image is to
                        be projected along the Z axis.

  000C4000 00003FC0 00003F80 00005443    ..@...?...?...TC
      ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
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      The X, Y, and Z texture sizes are 2.0, 1.5, and 1.0.

  4C520004 00000000 42544558 000E4672    LR......BTEX..Fr
                    ^^^^^^^^
                    The next set of texture sub-chunks pertain to the
                    "Square" surface's bump texture.

  61637461 6C204275 6D707300 54464C47    actal Bumps.TFLG
  0002000A 5453495A 000C3DCC CCCD3DCC    ....TSIZ..=...=.
      ^^^^
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      The flag bits indicate that "Worlds Coords" is turned on.

  CCCD3DCC CCCD5441 4D500004 3FC00000    ..=...TAMP..?...
                             ^^^^^^^^
                             The amplitude of the bumps is 150% (1.5
                             in IEEE format).

  54465251 00020001 53555246 00000044    TFRQ....SURF...D
                    ^^^^^^^^
                    This begins the description of the surface called
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                    "Triangle".
               ^^^^
               The bump texture uses one frequency of noise.

  54726961 6E676C65 0000434F 4C520004    Triangle..COLR..
  F0B40000 464C4147 00020000 44494646    ....FLAG....DIFF
  ^^^^^^^^
  The "Triangle" surface's color is yellow (240 red, 180 green, and 0
  blue).

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  0002009A 53504543 000200CD 474C4F53    ....SPEC....GLOS
                        ^^^^
                        The surface's specular setting is 80 % (205
                        out of 256).

  00020100 5245464C 00020033 5452414E    ....REFL...3TRAN
                        ^^^^
                        The surface's reflection map setting is 20%
                        (51 out of 256), but there is no RIMG sub-
                        chunk, so the surface reflects the backdrop.
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      ^^^^
      The surface has a high glossiness (256).

  00020066                               ...f
      ^^^^
      The surface is 40% transparent (102 out of 256).

  The "Triangle" surface has no textures, and there are no more
  surfaces to be defined, so the object file ends here.

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On Wed, 19 Jan 1994, Immanuel Martin wrote:

> Hello, I'm trying to model what should be a very simple object, a
> stylized heart but geez I'm having a hard time with it...Any
> suggestions? I'm using 2.0. Thanks!

If by heart you mean the muscular, cholesterol threatened organ housed
within your (and my) chest then take a look at the Syndesis 3D CD-ROM.
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So far there is only one 3D LightWave object at Avalon,  is anyone thinking
of uploading any more?

I`m working on the Buck Rogers Wavefront image at the moment, Ill be uploading
it soon,  I`m currently experimenting with the Engine thrust effects, Hot
white and blue flame effects (Morphed) for animation, and sequenced flashing
lights on the wing tips.  I`m trying to make it look as professional as my
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        For those who might have missed the promos, Babylon V will be
premiring the week of the 23th.  Check your local listings for a
Primetime slot:  usually 8pm to 11pm, 7pm to 10pm Central.
        As a LW enthusiast, I strongly suggest you see the inspiring work
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I hate to bring up this topic again, but hey - I need help on a
project, so I will ;-)

I'm rendering a light-cone that's going to be used in front of
a car that will be driving towards the camera. The light-cone
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beaming through a somewhat dark foggy night.

For the headlight cones I created a long cylinder, and then I
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of th cylinder, so it's kinda like a cone with a rounded end on
the big side. Anyways, I believe the object is ok...

Now, the surface attributes. I've tried messing with them all,
but what I've come down to now is simple:

surface color: 255 255 255 (pure white)
Luminosity:    100%  (these are lights, after all)
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Diffuse:       0%
Specular:      0%

Transparency:  20%
Edge Transparency: Normal

Smoothing: On.

This gives me the right kind of look, but it's too cg-ish. It's
too flat, has very little apparent depth. So, I figure I'd like
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through these cones, to make it seem like smoke or fog moving
through the beams of light.

I know some of the readers of this list have done this exact type
of object/surface before, so if someone would be so kind as to
give me pointers to achive the effect I'm looking for, I'd really
appreciate it. I need to speed up the process, since the deadline
for this project is fast approaching. Any and all replies welcome.

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3.0.

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On Thu, 20 Jan 1994 [e-mail] wrote:

>
>       Why is the A4000 slower at rendering than the equivelant 2000 based
>         accelerator card?  Someone mentioned that their A2000 with 040/33mhz
>         card renders a scene in 5 mins, his A4000 in 15 mins,  Why such a
>         difference?

The A4000 can not use burst mode for data or instruction, But...

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>       Is there any way around the A4000 quirk?  Will the new GVP 040/40mhz
>         card for the A3000/4000 get around this and give me much better
>         rendering times?

it should, you may need to put memory on the card in order to use burst mode.

>
>         (2nd Question),

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>On Jan 18  9:04 94, [e-mail] wrote:
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>>because of a hardware quirk, the A2000 renders faster than the same speed
>>A4000. If you're doing just flying logos, a 4000 would help you check your
>>anims in color real-time before committing to tape, and the slowdown in speed
>>is negligible. However, if you're doing huge landscapes and whatnot that will
>>take x hours per frame, get a 2000 and load up on RAM. My 2 cents!
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>    as far as i know, the T4000 will run faster than a normal A4000
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>designed to fit in both the A4000 and the A3000 and the circuitry on
>the card slowed the 040 down. the T4000 doesnt have such circuitry (as
>it is designed to run only the 040) and there fore will allow the 040
>to perform at a much faster rate (extra 40%-50%)... but i could be
>wrong. any comments? i would like to know if what i've heard is correct
>or not...
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>    steve

I have an A4000/T4000 plus an A2000 with a PP&S '040 card. I've run the
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same version of Sysinfo on both. It reports the PP&S is 10% faster than the
A4000. Perhaps that's due merely to the clock rate (28 Mhz vs 25 Mhz).  I
recently split a scene between the two platforms, thinking the A2000 would
be quicker, but ended up with the A4000 finishing first.  It wasn't
designed to be a speed test, and the scene complexity increased during the
second half, which could easily account for the difference.

I use both machines simultaneously on several ocassions and have _never_
seen perceptable 40 to 50% difference in speeds.  I don't know what version
buster chip I have in the A4000, as I would need to pull the PAR and VT
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>As far as alpha is concerned, I would like to see it implemented in a more
>standard fashion so that it could be used properly with external software
>and equipment. This entails two things: support transparency and do not blend
>transparent surfaces with the background color. A good example of LightWave
>doing non-standard alpha is when you do a lens flare. What should be generated
>are opaque colored rings for the RGB with a grayscale alpha to define the
>translucency. Instead, LW blends the rings to the black background and outputs
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LightWave already has what your asking for - it's called Fader Alpha mode.
Turning on this mode affects both the RGB and the alpha output, and changes
them to work with hardware or software that uses alpha as a "mix" value
between foreground and background.  This form of compositing works like
this:

    final pixel color = alpha * foreground + (1.0 - alpha) * background

(interpreting the 0 to 255 alpha in the file as a float from 0.0 to 1.0).
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Unfortunately this method is inferior to the original definition of alpha
compositing (as discussed in the classic paper "Compositing Digital Images"
by Thomas Porter and Tom Duff of Lucasfilm, published in the 1984 SIGGRAPH
Proceedings).  The original form is the type used in the kind of high-end
film work done by ILM, and also in LightWave's Foreground Alpha feature.
It works like this:

    final pixel color = foreground + (1.0 - alpha) * background

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Although it looks like a simpler formula, it's actually more powerful.  The
RGB values of the foreground image are considered to be premultiplied by
alpha, which is exactly what happens when you render the foreground element
against a black background.  For example, consider a pixel on the
silhouette of a red object in the foregound element.  Thanks to anti-
aliasing, it will appear dark red (partway between the red of the object
and the black of the background).  The alpha will also be gray at that
pixel.  Using the second formula above, you can then perfectly composite
that object into any background.  But if you use the first formula (which
is what video switcher often do), you will get dark edges around the object
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since the red is being multiplied by the gray alpha, making it extra-dark
(it was already dark to begin with).

Fader Alpha fixes this by dividing the RGB values in the foreground element
by the alpha channel (this has the effect of boosting the red back up to
full intensity, so it will go back down to proper intensity when multiplied
by alpha in the video switcher or whatever).  This means images rendered
with Fader Alpha turned on will appear to have very "jaggy" edges, and
transparent objects will appear opaque, until they are composited.

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OK, back to the second formula.  Obviously it's more efficient (one less
multiply per pixel), but I also claimed it was more powerful.  That's
because it can properly handle additive effects like lens flares.  Since
the foreground is simply added in, additive effects over a full-strength
background occur wherever the alpha channel is black but the RGB image is
not black.  Thanks to this, lens flares can be incorporated into foreground
elements and perfectly composited over any background.

In contrast, Fader Alpha can only handle pure white flares.  Imagine trying
to composite a red flare "halo" over a white object with a device that uses
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the first formula.  You'll need to have nonzero alpha where the ring is for
it to show up at all, but that means that the the white of the object will
be diminished.  Even if the red ring was maximum intensity red, the blue
and green of the object would still be darkened, which would never happen
in a real camera (lens flares only add light - they never take it away).

By the way, there is a bug in LightWave's handling of the alpha channel for
transparency-mapped objects, which Mark may have been referring to.  It
will be fixed in 4.0.  To read more about alpha issues, check out the paper
I referenced, or page 837 of "Computer Graphics Principles and Practice"
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(sometimes called Foley and van Dam Second Edition, or just "the big white
book") which talks about premultiplying RGB by alpha - LightWave's normal
method.

- Allen Hastings

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|      I'm still running into numerous bugs with Modeler in 3.1. Unify and Merge
| Points seem to be the biggest culprits. Also, it seems if you're low on Chip
| RAM (ala a 2000) Modeler has a tendency to out-and-out crash. Memory trashing
| is also still there, evident by discolored pixels appearing on WB. The latter
| may be LW proper's fault, I haven't isolated it between the two.
|      Chris "Wishing He Was a Beta Tester" Hurtt

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but not super helpful.  The very best reports contain a test case
(hopefully simple) which reproduces the problem.  These include Enforcer
hits or crashes doing a specific operation to a specific object.  For
bugs which are not so easily reproduced it is helpful to have some
handle on the statistical behavior of the bug.  E.g. it often happens
when I do X after Y, or Z fails three times and then works.

If you send us enough good reports you will *become* a beta tester.

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>According to my dealer, NewTek has announced that future updates
>(after 3.1) will *NOT* work with the old Toaster 2000 cards

I would consider this a rumor for the moment (at least no one at
NewTek has told me about it).  In fact, I'm currently running the
latest beta of 4.0 on a 2000 with a very old Toaster board...

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text file that describes them which I will now attempt to include in
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                   LIGHTWAVE 3D OBJECT FILE FORMAT

                          by Allen Hastings
                          revised  11/10/93

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Introduction

  LightWave 3D objects are stored as IFF files with a FORM type of
  LWOB.  Currently, a FORM LWOB must contain a PNTS chunk, a SRFS
  chunk, and a POLS chunk (in that order).  These may be followed by
  zero or more SURF chunks.  LightWave 2.0 also has the ability to
  save and load surface descriptions as FORM LWOB files that contain
  only a SURF chunk.

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  This document explains the contents of each chunk and includes an
  annotated listing of a FORM LWOB as an example.


PNTS Chunk

  This chunk contains a list of the X, Y, and Z coordinates of all
  the points in an object.  Each coordinate is stored as a four byte
  floating point number in IEEE format.  Therefore, the number of
  points in an object can be determined by dividing the size in bytes
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  of the PNTS chunk by 12.

  By convention, the +X direction is to the right or east, the +Y
  direction is upward, and the +Z direction is forward or north.
  For models of real-world objects, the unit size is usually
  considered to be one meter.  The coordinates are specified relative
  to an object's pivot point.  See the LightWave Modeler manual for
  more information about LightWave 3D's geometric conventions.


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SRFS Chunk

  This chunk contains a list of the names of all the surfaces in an
  object (note that in LightWave 3D terminology, the word "surface"
  is defined as a set of attributes that describe the color and
  shading characteristics of a group of polygons).  Each surface name
  appears as a null-terminated character string.  If the length of
  the string (including the null) is odd, an extra null byte is
  added.  Surface names should be read from the file until as many
  bytes as the chunk size specifies have been read.
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POLS Chunk

  This chunk contains a list of all the polygons in an object.  Each
  entry consists of a short integer specifying the number of vertices
  in a polygon followed by that many short integers specifying the
  vertices themselves (as indices into the points list) followed by a
  short integer specifying which surface is used by the polygon (as
  an index into the surfaces list).  The number of vertices in a
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  polygon currently may vary from one to 200.  The vertex list for
  each polygon should begin at a convex vertex and proceed clockwise
  as seen from the visible side of the polygon (LightWave 3D polygons
  are single-sided, except for those whose surfaces have the double-
  sided flag set).  The points list in the PNTS chunk is numbered
  starting with zero and the surfaces list in the SRFS chunk is
  numbered starting with one (so that surface numbers can be made
  negative to signal the presence of detail polygons as explained
  below).  Polygons should be read from the file until as many bytes
  as the chunk size specifies have been read.
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  A negative surface number for a polygon indicates that the polygon
  has detail polygons (which are drawn on top of the main polygon and
  may be coplanar with it).  In this case, the next number in the
  file is a short integer specifying how many detail polygons belong
  to the current polygon.  This is followed by a list of those detail
  polygons, where each entry is of the same format as described above
  for regular polygons (except that the detail polygons cannot have
  details of their own).  The list of regular polygons then resumes.
  To determine which surface is used by a polygon with a negative
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  surface number, the absolute value of that number should be used.


SURF Chunks

  Each SURF chunk describes the surface attributes of a particular
  surface.  These chunks begin with the name of the surface being
  described.  The name is stored as a character string with either
  one or two trailing nulls (as explained in the SRFS chunk section).
  Following the name is a series of sub-chunks, which are like normal
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  IFF chunks except that their sizes are specified by short integers
  instead of longs.  It is likely that the variety of sub-chunks will
  grow as new surface attributes are added to the program, but any
  unknown sub-chunks may be skipped over in the usual IFF fashion.
  Sub-chunks should be read from the file until as many bytes as the
  chunk size specifies have been read.

  COLR Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk consists of three bytes that specify the red,
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    green, and blue color components of the current surface, followed
    by a byte which is currently ignored and should be zero.  A
    surface can therefore be any of 16,777,216 possible colors.

  FLAG Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a short integer whose bits specify
    various options for the current surface.  Currently only the
    nine least significant bits are used.  The options that set bits
    indicate are (starting with the least significant bit):
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    Luminous, Outline, Smoothing, Color Highlights, Color Filter,
    Opaque Edge, Transparent Edge, Sharp Terminator, Double Sided,
    and Additive (which is new for LW 3.0).  Note that the two edge
    transparency bits should not both be set.

  LUMI, DIFF, SPEC, REFL, and TRAN Sub-Chunks

    Each of these sub-chunks contain a short integer that specifies
    the current surface's luminosity, diffuse, specular, reflection,
    or transparency settings (the LUMI sub-chunk is new for LW 3.0,
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    and replaces the Luminous bit of the FLAG sub-chunk).  A value of
    256 in the file corresponds to a setting of 100% on the control
    panel.  If any of these sub-chunks are absent for a surface, a
    value of zero is assumed for the corresponding parameter.

  GLOS Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a short integer that specifies the
    glossiness of the current surface, and is only needed if the
    specular setting in the SPEC sub-chunk is non-zero.  A value of
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    16 indicates low glossiness, 64 indicates medium glossiness, 256
    indicates high glossiness, and 1024 indicates maximum glossiness
    (the maximum setting is new for LW 3.0).  This parameter is
    related to the "specular exponent" used in many lighting models.

  RIMG Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains the filename (including any path the user
    may have specified) of the image to be used as a reflection map
    for the current surface.  Once again, if the length of the string
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    (including the terminating null) is odd, another null is added.
    If the last part of the string is " (sequence)", then the first
    part of the string specifies the prefix of an image sequence (the
    actual filename in this case is generated by appending a three
    digit frame number to the prefix when loading the image file for
    each frame).  If the reflection setting in the REFL sub-chunk is
    non-zero but no RIMG sub-chunk is present, then the surface is
    assumed to reflect the sky and ground backdrop (or to use ray
    traced reflection if ray tracing is enabled).

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  RSAN Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a four byte IEEE floating point number
    that specifies the heading angle of the reflection map seam
    (expressed in degrees).  This is new for LW 3.0.

  RIND Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a four byte IEEE floating point number
    that specifies the current surface's refractive index, which is
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    defined as the ratio of the speed of light in a vacuum to the
    speed of light in the material.  Since light is fastest in a
    vacuum, this value should therefore be greater than or equal to
    1.0.

  EDGE Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a four byte IEEE floating point number
    that specifies the edge transparency threshold of the current
    surface.  This value should lie between 0.0 and 1.0.
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  SMAN Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a four byte IEEE floating point number
    that specifies the maximum angle between two adjacent polygons
    that can be smooth shaded (expressed in degrees).  Polygons with
    a greater angle between them will appear to meet at a sharp seam.
    This is new for LW 3.0.

  CTEX, DTEX, STEX, RTEX, TTEX, and BTEX Sub-Chunks
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    The presence of one of these sub-chunks indicates that the
    current surface has a color, diffuse, specular, reflection,
    transparency, or bump texture.  The contents of the sub-chunk is
    a character string (terminated by one or two nulls as usual)
    specifying the texture type as shown on the control panel.  Once
    one of these sub-chunks is encountered within a SURF chunk, all
    subsequent texture-related sub-chunks (those described below) are
    considered to pertain to the current texture, until another CTEX,
    DTEX, STEX, RTEX, TTEX, or BTEX sub-chunk is read.  Currently
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    there may be zero or one of each of these sub-chunks (up to six
    textures) in each SURF chunk.

  TIMG Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk specifies the filename of the image (or the prefix
    of the image sequence) to be used for image texture mapping.  See
    the description of the RIMG sub-chunk above for more details.

  TFLG Sub-Chunk
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    This sub-chunk contains a short integer whose bits specify
    various options for the current texture.  Currently only the
    seven least significant bits are used.  The options that set bits
    indicate are (starting with the least significant bit):  X Axis,
    Y Axis, Z Axis, World Coords, Negative Image, Pixel Blending, and
    Antialiasing.  Note that only one of the three axis bits should
    be set.

  TSIZ, TCTR, TFAL, and TVEL Sub-Chunks
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    These sub-chunks each consist of three IEEE four byte floating
    point numbers that specify the X, Y, and Z components of the
    current texture's size, center, falloff, or velocity.  The TCTR,
    TFAL, and TVEL sub-chunks are only needed if the corresponding
    parameters are non-zero.

  TCLR Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains four bytes that specify the texture color
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    for the current texture, which should be of the color-modifying
    variety (in other words, there should be a CTEX sub-chunk
    somewhere before this sub-chunk).  The bytes are interpreted as
    described above in the COLR sub-chunk section.

  TVAL Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a short integer that specifies the
    texture value of a diffuse, specular, reflection, or transparency
    texture, so it should appear somewhere after a DTEX, STEX, RTEX,
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    or TTEX sub-chunk.  A value of 256 in the file corresponds to a
    a setting of 100% on the control panel.

  TAMP Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a four byte IEEE floating point number
    that specifies the amplitude of the current bump texture, so it
    should appear somewhere after a BTEX sub-chunk.  A value of 1.0
    is equivalent to a setting of 100% on the control panel.

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  TFRQ Sub-Chunk

    This sub-chunk contains a short integer that specifies the number
    of noise frequencies or wave sources used by the current texture.

  TSP0, TSP1, and TSP2 Sub-Chunks

    These sub-chunks each contain a four byte IEEE floating point
    number that specifies one of the special texture type-specific
    parameters (such as Contrast, Turbulence, Wavelength, etc).
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    Which sub-chunk is used to record a particular parameter depends
    on the order in which that parameter's button appears on the
    control panel.  In the future there may be more than three of
    these per texture.


Object File Example

  A simple object (with somewhat complex surfaces) is listed below to
  illustrate some of the features of a FORM LWOB.  The object is an
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  image-mapped bumpy square polygon in the XY plane with a shiny
  transparent yellow triangle as a detail polygon.  Each line of the
  listing shows 16 bytes in hexadecimal form followed by their ASCII
  equivalents.  The notes under each line should be read from left to
  right rather than top to bottom.

  464F524D 0000019C 4C574F42 504E5453    FORM....LWOBPNTS
  00000054 3F800000 3F800000 00000000    ...T?...?.......
           ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
           The X, Y, and Z coordinates of point number zero are 1.0,
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           1.0, and 0.0 (in IEEE format).
      ^^^^
      There are 84 bytes in the PNTS chunk, so there are seven points
      in the object.

  BF800000 3F800000 00000000 3F800000    ....?.......?...
  BF800000 00000000 BF800000 BF800000    ................
  00000000 3F000000 BF000000 00000000    ....?...........
  00000000 3F000000 00000000 BF000000    ....?...........
  BF000000 00000000 53524653 00000012    ........SRFS....
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  53717561 72650000 54726961 6E676C65    Square..Triangle
               ^^^^
               The surface name "Square" is terminated with two nulls
               to even out the number of bytes.

  0000504F 4C530000 00180004 00010000    ..POLS..........
                        ^^^^
                        The first polygon has four vertices (which
                        are points 1, 0, 2, and 3).

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  00020003 FFFF0001 00030005 00040006    ................
                    ^^^^
                    The detail polygon has three vertices (which are
                    points 5, 4, and 6).
               ^^^^
               One detail polygon follows.
           ^^^^
           The first polygon's surface code is -1, so it uses surface
           number one ("Square") and has detail polygons.

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  00025355 52460000 00AE5371 75617265    ..SURF....Square
      ^^^^ ^^^^
      This begins the description of the surface called "Square".
  ^^^^
  The detail polygon uses surface number two ("Triangle").

  0000434F 4C520004 C8C8C800 464C4147    ..COLR......FLAG
  00020000 44494646 00020100 43544558    ....DIFF....CTEX
                             ^^^^^^^^
                             The next set of texture sub-chunks
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                             pertain to the surface's color texture.
                        ^^^^
                        The "Square" surface's diffuse setting is
                        100% (256 out of 256).

  0012506C 616E6172 20496D61 6765204D    ..Planar Image M
      ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
      The color texture is planar mapping of the image in the IFF
      file "RAM:Laura".

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  61700000 54494D47 000A5241 4D3A4C61    ap..TIMG..RAM:La
  75726100 54464C47 00020004 5453495A    ura.TFLG....TSIZ
                        ^^^^
                        The flag bits indicate that the image is to
                        be projected along the Z axis.

  000C4000 00003FC0 00003F80 00005443    ..@...?...?...TC
      ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
      The X, Y, and Z texture sizes are 2.0, 1.5, and 1.0.

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  4C520004 00000000 42544558 000E4672    LR......BTEX..Fr
                    ^^^^^^^^
                    The next set of texture sub-chunks pertain to the
                    "Square" surface's bump texture.

  61637461 6C204275 6D707300 54464C47    actal Bumps.TFLG
  0002000A 5453495A 000C3DCC CCCD3DCC    ....TSIZ..=...=.
      ^^^^
      The flag bits indicate that "Worlds Coords" is turned on.

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  CCCD3DCC CCCD5441 4D500004 3FC00000    ..=...TAMP..?...
                             ^^^^^^^^
                             The amplitude of the bumps is 150% (1.5
                             in IEEE format).

  54465251 00020001 53555246 00000044    TFRQ....SURF...D
                    ^^^^^^^^
                    This begins the description of the surface called
                    "Triangle".
               ^^^^
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               The bump texture uses one frequency of noise.

  54726961 6E676C65 0000434F 4C520004    Triangle..COLR..
  F0B40000 464C4147 00020000 44494646    ....FLAG....DIFF
  ^^^^^^^^
  The "Triangle" surface's color is yellow (240 red, 180 green, and 0
  blue).

  0002009A 53504543 000200CD 474C4F53    ....SPEC....GLOS
                        ^^^^
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                        The surface's specular setting is 80 % (205
                        out of 256).

  00020100 5245464C 00020033 5452414E    ....REFL...3TRAN
                        ^^^^
                        The surface's reflection map setting is 20%
                        (51 out of 256), but there is no RIMG sub-
                        chunk, so the surface reflects the backdrop.
      ^^^^
      The surface has a high glossiness (256).
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  00020066                               ...f
      ^^^^
      The surface is 40% transparent (102 out of 256).

  The "Triangle" surface has no textures, and there are no more
  surfaces to be defined, so the object file ends here.



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I hope that answers your questions!

- Allen Hastings
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Thanks to both Allen and Stuart for their help on this one, I think I
left my brain out that morning (I'm going stir crazy from staring at
this monitor scanning in and retouching the still art that I am mapping
onto the soccer players).  I created a single "cell" of the netting
as a 2 color 640x400 image in DPaint, and is only a tad over 5K, fairly
inconsequential memory consumption.

Now my other hurdle in this animation is a soccer ball.  For the time
being, while generating test frames I'm using an all white stand-in.
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ball pattern onto a cylindrical projection map, which could then be
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I read that LightRave is PAL compatible,  does this mean that I can adjust my
camera size to Pal Resolutions?   Currently the Toaster I am using with
lightwave 3.0 has fixed sizes,  is there going to be a future option to
specify any resolution I want?  Or does one exist now?   How can I get
LightWave to render in 768x576 resolution?   I have tried using Medium Camera
setting and stretching the Image in ADPRO, but this is time consuming.

I`m also about to Test the Digital BroadCaster 32 system in Hong Kong,  I
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person!!,  I`m not even sure if he knows what one is!, he`s really a Mac/PC
person,  trying to make a few bucks selling the cheaper 'Amiga' non-linear to
his MAC and PC customers using 3D Studio and Electric Image.  <sigh!>
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MY, yes MY! Amiga A4000/40 with FastLane Z3 SCSI-II card and Revision -11 Super
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>Hello, I'm trying to model what should be a very simple object, a
>stylized heart but geez I'm having a hard time with it...Any
>suggestions? I'm using 2.0. Thanks!

I did this in Imagine's Forms editor once upon a time.  In LW it should
be straightforward.  You want to skin a set of wireframes.  Briefly:
Draw the basic flat outline for the central cross-section.  Copy it a
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these wire frames.

For another, recent project, I used Bend and Pole such I was able to
create a pretty nicely shaped heart outline, instead of drawing it
freehand.  I didn't need to make a fully 3-D valentine heart, though.

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there have been a couple of posts lately questioning the speed differences
between a 4000 and an 040 2000, i.e. why the big discrepancy in rendering
speed-
i think this was covered in a past posting-some 040 cards for the 2000 have
burst mode, or *some* feature that the 4000 did not implement-
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than a 4000 based machine.
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p.s. i still haven't gotten my 3.1 !! i called, was told it was coming this month-
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different , esp. Lightwave and Modeler ? for example, are those Essence hooks in there
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:)      Why is the A4000 slower at rendering than the equivelant 2000 based
:)         accelerator card?  Someone mentioned that their A2000 with 040/33mhz
:)         card renders a scene in 5 mins, his A4000 in 15 mins,  Why such a
:)         difference?

The memory subsystem on the A4000 isn't the fastest thing in the world, for
starters.  The A3000 memory subsystem is faster.  On top of this, you have
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person had a GVP accelerator (prob'ly the most common) then he would have a
custom high-speed memory subsystem not to mention that alot of GVP's '040 cards
could make use of very quick 40ns RAM.  Also, a 33mHz '040 is much faster
than a 25mHz version...not three times as fast, but it is faster.

On top of this, you have to take into account how smart the two owners were in
setting up their systems.  You can't just turn it on and go.  Were the cache's
enabled? on the A4000?  Was the A4000 user running a non-interlaced, 8bit deep
Workbench?  Also, did the two machines have the same ammount of memory?  If
the A4000 started using ChipMem because there was no more fastmem then game
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There are too many factors to give a "benchmark" like the above much weight
because the machines would have to be setup in a near identical state for it
to be of much use.  Unless the person stated the exact configuration of each,
and made sure that each was optimized for speed or run in a "plain-jane"
no-optimized mode you can't give machine comparison's much weight.

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:)      Is there any way around the A4000 quirk?  Will the new GVP 040/40mhz
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:)         rendering times?
:)

I would be willing to bet that the GVP accelerator will incorporate a new
memory subsystem.  That should do the trick.  And hopefully they'll let you
use greater than 4M density SIMMS as well.

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:)         With all these new High Resolution 1280x1024 graphics cards comming
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:)         be great to use the LightWave Modeller at 1024x768, or higher,  this
:)         would definatly give LightWave the look & Feel of a Silicon Graphics
:)         machine,  I find using LightWave on my 1084S monitor alot different
:)         to using the Silicon Graphics at work.
:)

I can't speak for NewTek, but based on the last couple releases of Lightwave I
would doubt it.  I was expecting LW3.x to let the user make use of an 800x600
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        When did you get your Toaster?  I got mine shortly after its
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   I've got C code that reads in .geo's and I think I have some that
reads in lightwave objects directly.  It's not pretty, but if anyone
wants it, drop me an email.  Oh, it really only pays attention to the
geometry.  You'd have to modify it to bother with surface characteristics.
The .geo's are converted to line/polygons for GL, but would be trivial to
change to other formats and the lwob converter was a front-end to a particle
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>       Well, no need to save it as a full screen and then crop it.  Simply
>       save it as a (broken) brush in TPaint , import THAT into ADPro and
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I'm having a bit of a problem using rail extrude. I create a curve
and place it in the background layer.  I have done this via the
sketch tool and by utilizing points. Then I create an object in
the forground layer, typically a disc or a ball.  However I get the
message "Source contour contained no edges. Only points were
generated".  This leaves me with no polygons and too many points to
manually connect in the correct order.  Any ideas?  I tried extruding
the curve to give it an edge, but then it doesn't see the object as a
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        Hi all...

        Sorry if this has been discussed... but I'm about to embark on
        a project that involves a cartoon-like character.  He will
        have a mouth much like the ones used in "Tin Toy" and
        "The Adventures of Andre and Wally B.".  Also like the
        pool toy "Fred Floaty"... namely, that the mouth will be
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        _talk_  (carefully timed to match recorded voice).

        As far as I can tell, Lightwave has no provisions for doing
        this type of work in any specific sense... so that means that
        I will need to develop something workable...

        Does anyone have any experience with this type of work, or have
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Replies to my message about realistic light cones won't be necessary.
I managed to stumble upon the sample scene the comes with the
T4000 which has a cone effect close to what I am looking for. I
was Toaster/Lightwave 2.0 only up until last week when I borrowed
some time on a local video studio's T4000 system to work on my project,
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Can anyone point me to a location in the Montreal area where I could find/buy
an issue of the recently introduced LightWave magazine.

I want to buy the first few issue before commiting to a subscription.

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Hello Allen...
At least I hope this message is going to Allen Hastings....

I received mail from you off the internet regarding my minivas and I had
a couple of other questions I was hoping you might be able to answer for
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To the person trying to model a heart...

 Land oh goshin I am trying to model a brain. I am having probs in the area
of making it realistic (given the bumpiness of the model). Any hints
would be GREATLY appreciatted.

 Heart guy, if you could email any personal replies thay might help I
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I just downloaded the demo of a spline-based modeler called Freeform from
Aminet (it's in their "RECENT" list) written by a compsci student from
NYC. He sells the full blown version for $59.95.

It thoroughly impresses me. I recommend it to anyone who wants to get a whif
of a modeler which is coupled to a good GUI design. I am not criticizing
LW's modeler; I just wish that its spline-based modeling was like that.

And it exports to GEO files to boot.

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To:     lightwave <[e-mail]>
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Subj:   AMBIDEXTREOUS CD ROM?

>Has anyone tried to use an external CDROM player (e.g. an NEC) with a SCSI I/O
>and set it up with an A/B switch that would allow it to be used with the
>Amiga 2000HD + GVP SCSI, and a MS-DOS 486 clone + SCSI controller???

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this loops out to an external Iomega Bernoulli and then into my Amiga
2000 to an IVS Grandslam & Maxtor 120M HD.
SoundBlaster = SCSI ID 7 (terminated)
IVS Grandslam = SCSI ID 6
CD ROM = ID #3
Bernoulli = ID #4
Maxtor = ID #5 (terminated)
(i stayed away from ID #0 & 1 so the PC would leave then alone)

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Jamie Krutz asked me to forward a response he sent to me regarding the DBC32
which he has seen in operation at a local dealer. Here it is........

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Picture quality is respectable.  Blows up on a multiburst signal
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multiburst bands, DBC just reduces the number of bands).  The DBC
appears to have a filter that totally takes out one of the
multiburst segments, but it recovers resolution again somewhat
for the last, highest bandwidth one, where the Avid has lost it
entirely.  The difference may be due to the LSI chipset the DBC
uses vs. the C-Cubed chipset the Avid uses.  Neither looks as
good playing back multiburst as BetacamSP.

Note:  We did the above test at as low as 7/1 on the DBC and at
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We tried the DBC from 12/1 to 7/1 and didn't see much difference.

That being said, the DBC picture looks good.  I can see using it
for final quality on some projects.  We have not yet tested it on
an animation.  Supposedly the recommended fast lane controller
and seagate baraccuda drive combine for a 7 megs/second transfer
rate.  Theoretically that would give the DBC an almost 2/1 edge
over both the Avid and the PAR.

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With the above mentioned drive at 10/1 compression setting, you'd
get about 12 minutes on the 2.4 gig baraccuda.

The DBC is beta.  Software is version .9x.  They currently
recommend going through a TBC to use the proc amp to tweak the
output.  There is as yet no audio support, though they're working
on it (with SunRize).  The editing is cuts only, and the software
has bugs that lock it up.  It's easy to capture video, but it's a
separate application to do that and you have to quit that app to
open the editing app.  The editing app is easy to use, pretty to
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not yet implemented.

The DBC hardware breakout box is very impressive.  BNC
connections for everything except LTC SMPTE in, which is XLR.  No
twink RCA connectors to be seen.  BetaCam component in and out,
RGB component in and out, S-Video in and out, composite in and
out, sync in, and support for LTC and VITC SMPTE time code!

This is a product to watch, so to speak. :)
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Hola -

> :)         With all these new High Resolution 1280x1024 graphics cards comming
> :)         out for the Amiga,  would lightwave take advantage of this?  It would
> :)         be great to use the LightWave Modeller at 1024x768, or higher,  this
> :)         would definatly give LightWave the look & Feel of a Silicon Graphics
> :)         machine,  I find using LightWave on my 1084S monitor alot different
> :)         to using the Silicon Graphics at work.
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> I can't speak for NewTek, but based on the last couple releases of Lightwave I
> would doubt it.  I was expecting LW3.x to let the user make use of an 800x600
> Super72 screen.  640x400 is really restrictive, especially if you've put in
> some substantial time sitting in front of a 19" or higher moniter.
>

Mark Thompson, over on the EGS listserv, has said that Amblin Imaging makes use
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upgrade, but part of the 4.0 release.

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I've been trying to get the Random Surface Points Modeler macro
(aka prick.lwm) to work.  This macro, described in Lightwave Pro, is
supposed put random points of the surface of an object. (No surprise
there.)

The problem is, it doesn't seem to work.  I can activate it, but it just
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I'm not conversant in ARexx, so I have no idea how to fix this myself.
The only clue seems to be that it doesn't appear to find the Modeler's
ARexx port.  When I run TS and TCO, it looks like the program is hitting
the line where it is supposed to confirm that the message port exists,
doesn't find it, and then exits.  I checked the spelling and capitalization
of the port name, and it appears to be correct.

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I finally found the documention for the Modeler ARexx interface buried
down in the lwm direcetory. Is there ARexx for Layout, and if so isa it
documented? I remember the manual saying the ARexx docs are on disk, but i
don't remember if that was just in reference to Modeler.

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  What about setting world co-ordinates on your fractal reflections image.
  This would make the the surface move through the texture as you move the car.

  Speaking of Fractal reflections... I accidently lost mine somehow. Could
  Someone please send it to me uuencoded?
  The Toaster disks are all compressed, and I don't want to re-install the
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                                                            Thanks
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I am doing a short peice in which in need the Earth rotating serenely in the
background. Can anyone pointb me in the direction of a good image map? JPEGs
GIFs and IFFs are all acceptable.
Detail is moderately, but not critically important

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> Does anyone here record animation frames on an Exabyte 8505 with ADPro's
> Abekas driver?  A correspondent of mine is not skilled enough to get FRED
> to do what he wants, and ASDG apparently isn't much help.

Yes, I use the Exabyte 8500 with the Abekas driver. I've used it for both input
and output to/from D1. The only problem I have ever run into was when I was
inputing frames that were created on an 8200, which caused a rewind to the
beginning and then search for every single frame. However, I have never used
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of ARexx scripts provided which should do the job no problem. What is it that
your friend wants to do? If ARexx would be beyond him, would a description of
how to do it with FRED help? Another possibility perhaps is MacroMaker (a
shareware point and click tool for creating ADPro ARexx scripts).
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that is to debut at NAB in a couple of months.  Does anyone have any
information about it?  Features?  Cost?

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Thanks a lot for the information. Hopefully it's something
the programmer at work can use. It looks promising.

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Charles Lee
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> Can anyone point me to a location in the Montreal area where I could find/buy
> an issue of the recently introduced LightWave magazine.
>
> I want to buy the first few issue before commiting to a subscription.
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AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!

Yes, yet another NEWTEK flame!

Last November (3 MONTHS ago) I bought a GVP 040 "Impact Series II"
accellerator card for my A2000 HD.

I installed it per spec and SUPRISE!  The toaster (3.0 software/1.0 board)
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moments later, the dreaded red "software error" box appeared, with the
message:
                Software Error
                8000 000B  Task 01035E00

And the system would reboot on pressing the left mouse button as instructed
on the screen.

Hmmm, I thought, better call NewTek Tech Support... SO, I did.  I was told
by the tech that they had "had some troubles" with the GVP 040 and that
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with the GVP 040 board.  The tech further informed me that my 1MB of
chip RAM "isn't enough". And that "The spec requirements for 1MB chip are
marginal at best.  You need 2MB chip RAM".  After thinking "guess it couldn't
hurt", I dutifully ordered the DKB 2MB chip RAM.

I soon found that the tech's CHIP RAM statements were BULLSHIT! The 2MB chip RAM
made NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER WITH THE TOASTER CRASHING.  I subsequently
started doing my own Systems Analysis on the damn thing, and found that
the problem was when the GVP was instructed to relocate system ROM into
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FAST RAM (a real performance boost), the Toaster crashed on startup.  After
removing the FASTROM instruction in my user-startup (leaving the MoveSSP in
place), I was able to get the toaster up and running, albeit without the
humongous speed increases I had been led by a NewTek tech to expect from the
040.

After waiting patiently for THREE MONTHS for this mythical update, I finally
received my 3.1 Update.  Anticipating a fix for the GVP 040 problem, I
immediately started loading it.  WRONG! Disk 4 of the update was a BAD disk!
After arranging to get a replacement, and yet ANOTHER period of NON-PRODUCTION,
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I received a replacement.  I FINALLY loaded the 3.1 update.

Excited with anticipation, I restored the user-startup entries for the 040,
and rebooted. Then, I started the 3.1 Toaster and *** SUPRISE *** it
wouldn't come up for more that a couple of seconds as long as the GVP FASTROM
command was in place.  So much for the freakin' "bug fix" for which I had been
waiting THREE MONTHS.

I DID see SOME lightwave performance increases with the update... but STILL...

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Here's the current situation:

01/27/94 20:29:25
Version 3.0 of S/W.  FASTROM disabled on GVP.
SpaceFighters: Frame 195.
                Camera: Trace EVERYTHING.  Low Anitaliasing. Adaptive Samp. (8)
                        Particle Blur. Medium Resolution. Overscan.
                Lights: 1 Light. Distant/RayTrace.
                Objects: All shadows on on all objects.
                Record: No record/No saves.
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        Rendering time: 15m 26s (926 seconds)


01/28/94 23:16:29
Version 3.1 of S/W.  FASTROM disabled on GVP. (Toaster wouldn't run w/FASTROM)
SpaceFighters: Frame 195.
                Camera: Trace EVERYTHING.  Low Anitaliasing. Adaptive Samp. (8)
                        Particle Blur. Medium Resolution. Overscan.
                Lights: 1 Light. Distant/RayTrace.
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                Objects: All shadows on on all objects.
                Record: No record/No saves.
                        Render to DV1

        Rendering time: 9m 26s (566 seconds)

Yeah, it WAS better with 3.1, but I can't help but think that it could be
even MUCH better if the GVP 040 was operating to its full potential.

Now, as with every situation where there is 3rd party hardware involved,
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it is VERY difficult to place a blame on the 040 board.  All I know
is that this whole experience has confirmed the opinions that I've heard that
the Toaster isn't REALLY a stable, professional product. <sigh, too bad>.

Although I realize, I'm not one of Speilberg's staff, and as much as I LOVE
Lightwave, something's GOT to give.  I have GOT to have RELIABLE, professional
tools to run my business... I'm NOT a garage hobbyist. (10yrs TV + 10yrs micros)

Reply comments would be GREATLY appreciated.

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> WHAT! The 3.1 Upgrade WILL NT WORK IN 2000's!!!
>
> THAT IS RIDICIULOUS! AND I HOPE IT IS A FARCE!

  Your right, it is ridiculous, and it is a farce.  3.1 works just great
  in my 2000.  But I am extremely dissapointed at the thought that
  NewTek may be abandoning us 2000 owners for future upgrades, especially
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>:)
>:) [e-mail] writes:
>:)
>:) >    Another drag is the fact that the alpha channel that Lightwave
>:) >    creates is 8-bit grey scale (perfectly reasonable) but that the
>:) >    PAR will not accept 8-bit IFF (only accepts FS & 24bit), which
>:) >    means a trip through ADPro before it can be animated.
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>:) trouble with 8-bit IFF images.  Of course the files are three times as
>:) big...
>:)

>What about a 32bit ILBM standard?  I think it's prob'ly about time for such a
>creature.  All software would benefit from this, since it's very difficult to
>do real painting and compositing without using alpha.  It would be a pain to
>have to deal with two separate files for each image...make me feel like I'm
>stuck using Alias.

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As long as we're talking about Alpha images I'll put my
two cents in. Alpha images are great for compositing 2D
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the image represented the depth of the rendered pixel
(i.e. a dump of the ZBuffer) then one could composite
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won't work but it is a useful thing.

just a thought,

Zareh

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*Finally* got to see the first ep of Babylon 5 tonight, and was knocked out
flat on the floor. A string of expletives too numerous to mention come to mind.
Unbelievable.

On that note, whilst trying to work on some space scenes of my own (which no
doubt will be orders of magnitude less awe-inspiring) I have hit upon the fact
that I need to make custom-fitted brushmaps for each surface on the object.

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a cross section of my object for using as a base in a paint program..

There was an article I read a while back which mentioned values for such a thing
 but I cannot find it. This would be a great help.


Now that I have seen B5, I think it wins hands down over seaquest for toaster-
generated shows. I understand the limits of working with underwater scenes (the
murkiness, etc.) But the attention to detail and the craftsmanship displayed in
Babylon 5 simply aren't present. Also, looking at the credits for both shows
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Just my .02.

Thanks in advance for any help.



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>       Too bad we couldn't just get DPS to accept 8-bit instead.
>       Guess I oughter get on David White's case.

I spoke to Dave about this not too long ago. They are already looking into
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        OK, I admit it.  I've never used LWM splines.  Never had to.

        How embarrasing.

        For what do you guys & gals find splines indispensible?  What
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 > I am currently building a robot of sorts, and am trying to add some
 > hydraulics
 > and tubes and the like. I also wanted to have a belt feed for his
 > weapon. Main
 > problem I'm having is that the tubes/etc. have to be anchored to two
 > different
 > objects (upper arm-lower arm, backpack-gun), and flex in the middle.
 > I have
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 > keep up
 > convincingly with the object it is 'attached' to. Is there any way
 > to do this?
 > Figure out the exact positions and have a zillion morph targets?

This is exactly what inverse kinematics would be perfect for. Unfortunately,
Allen Hastings has not had the chance to implement it yet on the 3.x release of
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|Does anyone here record animation frames on an Exabyte 8505 with ADPro's
|Abekas driver?  A correspondent of mine is not skilled enough to get FRED
|to do what he wants, and ASDG apparently isn't much help. I suggested
|ProControl, and he asked ASDG about that, and they said no go.  If
|anybody here has experience with such matters and would care to offer
|a suggestion, I'd be happy to pas the info along to Mark.  Thanks
|in advance.

        Who ever responds, please do so to the list.  I would also like
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> > I can't speak for NewTek,

Me neither, nor for Allen H.  But I've "heard" a few things from a
friend (who works just slightly north of San Francisco) who works
closely with Allen at times, and he has said that Allen has "considered"
supporting these Hires graphic cards - the DMI Resolver, the Vivid, the
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for a nifty little 3D system relatively competitive with any SGI system.
(I'm POSITIVE I could find a use for one, anyway!)

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What with the recent post on the DMI Digital Broadcaster, I was wondering
about the PAR again. From all the postings previous (when it came out and
when people bought it) it seems like the best choice for just animating..

We're considering getting a PAR for output and a V-Lab Y/C for inputting
short image sequences for wraps/compositing/morphing. Will these two
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Anyway, just wondering if anyone has used either one.


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>        With all these new High Resolution 1280x1024 graphics cards comming
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Funny you should mention that, since we were just running the latest
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There are two changes to the file format spec that I can think of
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1) Chunks can occur in any order, as long as the SRFS chunk comes
before the POLS, CRVS and SURF chunks, and the PNTS chunk comes
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On Sun, 23 Jan 1994, Colin Stuckless wrote:

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> I hate to bring up this topic again, but hey - I need help on a
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> I'm rendering a light-cone that's going to be used in front of
> a car that will be driving towards the camera. The light-cone
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> is, of course, going to give me the illusion of headlights
> beaming through a somewhat dark foggy night.
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> For the headlight cones I created a long cylinder, and then I
> created a ball which I cut in half and placed at the wide end
> of the cylinder, to make it rounded. I tapered in the other end
> of th cylinder, so it's kinda like a cone with a rounded end on
> the big side. Anyways, I believe the object is ok...
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> Now, the surface attributes. I've tried messing with them all,
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> surface color: 255 255 255 (pure white)
> Luminosity:    100%  (these are lights, after all)
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> Specular:      0%
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> Transparency:  20%
> Edge Transparency: Normal
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> This gives me the right kind of look, but it's too cg-ish. It's
> too flat, has very little apparent depth. So, I figure I'd like
> some kind of animated fractalreflections type of surface moving
> through these cones, to make it seem like smoke or fog moving
> through the beams of light.


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2000 Toasters and only some 10-15,000 T4000's out there. Which is the
larger market to support. Alot of us using LightWave didn't want
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I've wanted to know how to do something very simular..  I made a
Lighthouse and wanted to make the light beam appear to be in the fog.  I
remember seeing these 'beams of light' in SeaQuest.  Are they actualy
using objects for the beam, or is it a special function of the conical
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uhmm...

if I'm not wrong copying kickstart to fast 32-bit RAM will only accelerate
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I noticed a lot of heavy aliasing in many of the B5 shots.  In fact, I found
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I've got a 4000 and a GVP 040. The 4000 has 16m ram, the GVP has 8 meg. I have
experienced a 40% increase in speed. I rendered directly to a PAR in both
cases. The scene was rendered to framestores in low res. The scenes got
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is due to the difference in ram. (I have the megachip for 2m chip ram in the
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Is there anyone in the D/FW metroplex on the list that could possibly
help me with splines and curves?  I'm having a hell of a time
understanding them and I could really use some real time expertise.
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Colin Stuckless <[e-mail]> writes:
> surface color: 255 255 255 (pure white)
> Luminosity:    100%  (these are lights, after all)
> Diffuse:       0%
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> Edge Transparency: Normal
> Smoothing: On.
> This gives me the right kind of look, but it's too cg-ish.

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Here are a few tips....
1) Use a subtle fractal noise luminosity map for smoke.
2) Use a transparency map that has a falloff to 100%
3) Enable double sided.
4) You may want to enable additive.
5) ALWAYS use transparent edges!!!
6) Use a central glow lens flare.

This should help create a more realistic light cone.

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CNN ran a 5 min. blurb on B5 last night on one of their "Hollywood Minute"
segments.  It was almost identical to the one they ran last January when
the pilot was forthcoming.  The animation clips they showed were gorgeous
as usual... thanks to Lightwave!! :)  Items of interest: Straczynski said
they spent the last year working on improving the show - based on things
people liked and didn't like about the pilot.  He said the series is much,
MUCH better than the pilot - i.e. faster paced, more action... (Hopefully;
maybe they will leave out some of the new age, eastern religion, one world-
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(Will Robinson from Lost in Space!) has a reoccurring role in the first 22
shows (He will be in 6 of the first 22).  He originally was only scheduled
to be in one episode - but did such a wonderful job, they enlarged his
character's role in the first years' storyline.  They didn't mention the
Amiga or Lightwave, grrrr... but Straczynski did indirectly mention LW
key-framing.  When explaining that B5 was going to be "MORE science, LESS
fiction..." he stated that "during space battles - spaceships always bank
to turn... like there's atmospheric resistance in space...  B5 ships on
the otherhand pivot on their axis and fire... which is not only more
realistic but also more... COST EFFECTIVE."  :)  ...hmmmm, 60 ships x 3
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And YES I taped it... so if you'd like a copy lemme know...

BTW - If you EVER catch part of an "entertainment/hollywood" thingie on CNN
      and want to see the entire piece, don't sit there for 3 or 4 hours &
      wait for them to *maybe* replay it.  Set your VCR to tape that Showbiz
      Today show (replays at: 12:30am, 4:30am EST).  CNN chops that thing
      into little 3-5 minute segments and scatters it like fluff throughout
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[dweebie stuff about "multibursts" deleted]
Just kidding.... I'll have to look up what a multiburst test signal
looks like to be able to picture what he's talking about.  I gather the
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> With the above mentioned drive at 10/1 compression setting, you'd
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Ouch.  How much would a 12 minute BetaSP tape cost?   $20?   I assume
<snort> that the Baraccuda is somewhat <snort> more expensive??

Awright, I know -- "Digital Non-Linear Editing" an' all that.... but still.

How long would it take to back-up the 2 Gigs on DAT?


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& s/w (not incl. drive) ?

When will the s/w be "ready for prime time"?  (Everyone realizes this is
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I am currently running 3.0 on a G-Force '040, and have had _some_ problems, but
none as monumental as you describe. The switcher has come up whether I ran
FastROM or not, and crashes are intermittant but not as frequent as you describe...

As for speed, do you have all the RAM slots filled on the board? 040 Burst mode
won't work without all slots filled. That could affect the speed slightly. If
this is common knowledge, I apologize.

Actually, the comparisons you posted were quite helpful. It's nice to know that
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I've also had many problems with the Toaster/LW after I upgraded my GVP
030/Combo board to an 040/Combo board during the summer.

The CG said it didnt' have enough ram, and I had lots of problems with LW
and Modeler.

        Many instances, when I loaded up the Switcher, everything would look
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from the screen, Object menu, load object, etc.  The problem would go away
after I quit and/or rebooted a few times.  Needless to say, this got OLD.
Also, modeler seemed to be crashing FOR NO REASON AT ALL!!  I got extreamly
paranoid, saving stuff what seemed like every few seconds.  At the time I was
working on a important paying project.  My first one.  What's funny is that I
upgraded to the 040 because I realized that I would never have been able to get
the project done on time with the rendering speed of the 030. :-)
        Later I realized what was going on with Modeler.  When I leave it for a
while just sitting there, say for 10 min, and then start doing things again,
after a few seconds the mouse would lock up, and then the screen goes black, and
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        I had never had any of the above problems with my 030.  The entire time
I had FastRom going on the 040, but I don't think that was the problem.  When I
called "Tech Support", they said there were problems with GVP 040s and they
were working on it.  So just sort of accepted it.
        The problem seemed to have faded away even before I got my 3.1 upgrade.
oh Well. **sigh**  Magic I guess.
        All I have to say is that NewTek is really lucky that LW is such a
kick ass program.  (I'm one of those people that baught the Toaster just to use
LW and don't really use any other part of the thing)  Otherwise, I would
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        Maybe Alan should go into business for himself?  ;-)


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> I am doing a short peice in which in need the Earth rotating serenely in the
> background. Can anyone pointb me in the direction of a good image map? JPEGs
> GIFs and IFFs are all acceptable.

I *used* to have this archive called something like "MuseumGlobe" that
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But I did manage to find:

earth.lha            pix/misc   485K+Grey and color mercator projection

I haven't looked at it yet, but it sounds like just what you're looking
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If anyone else has this "MuseumGlobe" please upload it to Aminet.
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In article <[e-mail]> "Luke (Pat) Montgomery" <[e-mail]> writes:
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> AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!

(munch)

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> I DID see SOME lightwave performance increases with the update... but STILL...
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> Here's the current situation:
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> 01/27/94 20:29:25
> Version 3.0 of S/W.  FASTROM disabled on GVP.
> SpaceFighters: Frame 195.
>               Camera: Trace EVERYTHING.  Low Anitaliasing. Adaptive Samp. (8)
>                       Particle Blur. Medium Resolution. Overscan.
>               Lights: 1 Light. Distant/RayTrace.
>               Objects: All shadows on on all objects.
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>       Rendering time: 15m 26s (926 seconds)
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> 01/28/94 23:16:29
> Version 3.1 of S/W.  FASTROM disabled on GVP. (Toaster wouldn't run w/FASTROM)
> SpaceFighters: Frame 195.
>               Camera: Trace EVERYTHING.  Low Anitaliasing. Adaptive Samp. (8)
>                       Particle Blur. Medium Resolution. Overscan.
>               Lights: 1 Light. Distant/RayTrace.
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>               Objects: All shadows on on all objects.
>               Record: No record/No saves.
>                       Render to DV1
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>       Rendering time: 9m 26s (566 seconds)
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> Yeah, it WAS better with 3.1, but I can't help but think that it could be
> even MUCH better if the GVP 040 was operating to its full potential.
>

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Just for fun, I tried the above test on my A3000T-PPI 35mhz 040 (w/16 meg onboard RAM and another 10 meg on the Amiga).  I think Progressive's 040 software includes its own fastrom substitute.  Results:

8:08 with "Use Fewer Segments" off.

7:58 with "Use Fewer Segments" selected.

It was rendering to the frame buffer on both tests (although you can now save a few seconds by turning that off in 3.1 - thanks again Allen)

So anyway Luke, your performance doesn't look too bad.  Perhaps there's something else you can use besides FASTROM to do the same ROM to RAM loading, or could it be that the GVP 040 software already does?

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The FastROM option on your GVP 040 card simply takes your AmigaDOS 2.04
ROM image and copies it to the 32-bit RAM on your 040 card.  This
provides some speed up in OS functions - but I would guess that
rendering times within Lightwave would improve maginally, if at
all.

If someone has conflicting info, please post some test results.

BTW-> I'm not looking to make any enemies, but as a Amiga and Toaster
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GVP's tech support is very hard to get through to, and I have not
been satisfied with their service. As well, every GVP product I've
seen (with the exception of the GVP i/o Extender) has very poor
quality software. Where they come up with their interface designs,
god only knows.

If I was to recommend an acclerator to anyone, it'd be an RCS card
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Re: "Source contour contained no edges ..." error message.

The object to be extruded must be an open contour in order to work.
This means it is composed of curves and/or open polyhedra, which are
polygons arranged into a shape which is not closed on itself.  A
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-> > Mainly, is there an easy way to remove the splines after you
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-> While in polygon select mode, hit "w" to bring up the selection
-> window. From here you can elect to select only the curves in your
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Just a quick question.  Are there any Babylon V images available for ftp?
If so, where?  Thanks for any information.  Have a good day.

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Here's an idea for Newtek:

How 'bout distributing a "free" CD-ROM with the next big update to the
Toaster software???
(of course the whole upgrade would come on ONE disc).

Also, there would be an upgrade to people who ALREADY have a CD-ROM
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Why all this? Because it would ensure NewTek that from that upgrade on
most of their Toaster customers will be equiped with a CD-ROM, which
in the long run will make it not just cheaper, but easier to distribute
upgrades.

I guess they could also sel a 45-floppy-disks version also, but they
should do so at a price so high that people should just go ahead
and buy the CD-ROM upgrade "for just one or a couple hundred bucks
more".

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One more thing, the "CD-ROM" upgrade could also include as a bonus
TONS of objects, textures, scripts, and other goodies NOT provided
in the floppy version to further encorage people to "Go CD-ROM".


So, what do you all think???

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I've been using the PAR for about 6 months or so.  I haven't used it with
the Y/C Plus, but I do know that the PAR now supports the use of faster
drives that will allow you to grab video at much higher resolutions than
the Seagate drive supported.  I have not used the PAR with one of these
new drives, but hope to be getting one soon (I have to track down a good
deal; anybody know of one?).  I used to spend many, many hours every week
single-framing, and am quite happy with both the quality and the amount
of time that the PAR saves me (not to mention the quality when going to
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>To the person trying to model a heart...
>
> Land oh goshin I am trying to model a brain. . .

   Gosh, Dorothy, I'm trying to model courage. Maybe we should *all* go see
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Yes the only correct way to do it
is called doped sheet.

Its prety easy, first you make all the expressions and then assign then
to a special animator... (good for 2D and 3D)

but in lightwaves you can use sort of same system with the enveloppes..
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        Hello, this is my first post to Lightwave Mailing List :-)

I'm reading what you said for a month now, and I'm *very* surprised
about your reactions about LightRave.


Here, in France, the video system is in PAL (and Secam for
broadcasting)! So the Toaster (NTSC only) is absolutly useless, that's
why nobody, include the official Newtek Importer, sell the Toaster. I
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had to remember why it is IMPOSSIBLE to buy the Toaster (and
LightWave) because of the following (written without apologize or
flaming, it is just the facts)  :

I am one of the fondator of the AMIGA User Group of Bordeaux in
FRANCE. The club have now 37 members.
         14 (nearly 1/3rd) are using the AMIGA for 3D.
3/14 are professional (living of their AMIGA work). 4/14 have already
make money with their work (meaning deaden the cost of their system).
The other 7 do it just for fun.
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here is a small board of who's use what :

IMAGINE (buyed)  ->     9

IMAGINE (pirated)->     5
        Total :........14

Real3D 2.x (buyed)->    4

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        Total :.........7

LightWave (buyed)->     none

LightWave(pirated)->    14 (!)
        Total :.........14

LightRAVE (buyed)->     none
LightRAVE(pirated)->    14
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        Total :.........14

I can also speak about Caligary, Alladin 4D, etc... but no-one use
them anymore (even if somes buy them). I speak only of the USED
softwares ! ( not those full of dust in the back of a closet ;-)
So EVERYBODY use LW !!! LW+LR is considered as the best 3D package,
and REAL 3D as the most powerful. Imagine 2.x keep on rolling, only
because everybody know it very well and because of ESSENCE too.
The *BIG BIG BIG* problem with LightWave is that it is a NTSC only
software, but thanks to ADPro (and ARexx), we can do the conversion
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NTSC-> PAL quite easily.

If we extend the statistics to all the non-game-only AMIGA,
 there is about 6000 pirated LightWave in France !!!!
               -----------------------------------

Does this statistics mean we (the French) are all pirates. NO ! Look
the figures for IMAGINE or REAL, a majority of users buy the soft.

Does this mean we don't have money for buying a 1800 bucks software.
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NO! Here, REAL cost 670$, IMAGINE 400$, if you want a 24bit video
graphic board, add 800$, a genlock 1250$ more. So people with a
Toaster like system have already spent a lot of more than 1800 stupid
little bucks ... And professionals sell LightWave Pictures ( YES, they
sell pictures made with a pirated copy of LightWave  :-\) between 420
to 4000 $, an animation is selled even more (much more). So money
isn't a problem,and if LW is not selled in France, we can mail order
our Toaster in USA...

So, what is the problem ????
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First people doesn't buy LW because it is selled with the
VideoToaster. We do not want to buy a NTSC video board (above all in
composite, altrough everybody here work in Y-C or YUV *PAL*) just for
TRASH it and keep the software !

Second, LW is in NTSC and LightRave doesn't patch it to work in PAL.
Our screen is 768*576 pixels wide ! And we *HATE* black line on the
base of the screen.

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BUT WE WANT TO BUY LIGHTWAVE !!! Because it is one the very best 3D
software ever made ( we (and you) know that, we use it).

NEWTEK made an enormous error in do not selling LW as a stand-alone
product. Of course LW has selled a huge amount of Toaster, but in
Europe LW does not selled one little Toaster. I don't know how many
pirated version of LighWave exist in Europe, but I'm sure that NEWTEK
does NOT make money with none of them ! And in the actual economic
crisis, "does NOT make money" means "LOSING MONEY" !
The best way to continue to sell the Toaster AND Lightwave, is IMHO,
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to sell LW more than the half of the cost of the Toaster ( Toaster+LW=
1800$ so LW stand alone = 1000$). So people who can use the Toaster,
buy it, and the other (like us in France and Europe) buy just LW. As
there is no more devellepement needed to make a NTSC/PAL stand alone
LightWave, it is *really* a good operation for Newtek to do so. (
Allen H., Newtek, are you listening ...? ;-).

I speak in the name of my users group, And we really have hope about
the issue of this complain. But if a PAL stand alone LightWave never
exist, then we continue to pirate it, we already do so, so why change
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if Newtek does not want to?...

 We have many good programers in our club, if Newtek need assistance
for the PAL LW, we were Happy to give it some help (translating doc in
French (one of our speciality), do the PAL adaptation (we already do
so for ICOONS), etc...).

I thank my friend Pascal for the access to the mailing list, and all
the people here for reading this rather long complain.

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                Frangois GASTALDO
                   B.U.G.S.S.

P.S. : Hey, A. Hasting, why LW can't render directly in Cubic-SPLINE?
Every software on SGI do that, and on AMIGA, PlayMation and ICOONS (
Public Domain !!! ) prove us it is possible.

P.P.S. : Hey A. HASTING, please, include the ability to read External
textures. ESSENCE is by far the best thing ever made for the 3D AMIGA...

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P.P.P.S. : Hey NEWTEK, if you afraid of piraty for the stand-alone
LightWave, sell it on a CD-ROM, with a *HUGE* amount of modules
(particles animations, external textures, etc...) and datas (
Tutorials, mappings, objects, projects, etc...), so people prefer buy
it rather than pirate it...

P.P.P.P.S. : I spoke about France only, In England, the situation is
even worst for LW. There are so many pirated versions that UK
magazines are doing "How-to" and initiation articles for them...

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> Mainly, is there an easy way to remove the splines after you
> have patched an object?

While in polygon select mode, hit "w" to bring up the selection window.
 From here you can elect to select only the curves in your object. Once
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> problem I'm having is that the tubes have to be anchored to two different
> objects (upper arm-lower arm, backpack-gun), and flex in the middle.

A while back, I had requested a "muscles" feature would allow you to tack
bones from one object to a point in another object. This would be a typical
application for muscles. But until that is done, I have used the technique
that you mentioned, ie. anchoring the tubes on either ends with bones and
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The FastROM option on your GVP 040 card simply takes your AmigaDOS 2.04
ROM image and copies it to the 32-bit RAM on your 040 card.  This
provides some speed up in OS functions - but I would guess that
rendering times within Lightwave would improve maginally, if at
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If someone has conflicting info, please post some test results.

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GVP's tech support is very hard to get through to, and I have not
been satisfied with their service. As well, every GVP product I've
seen (with the exception of the GVP i/o Extender) has very poor
quality software. Where they come up with their interface designs,
god only knows.

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>I understand that NewTek is beta testing a non-linear editing system
that is to debut at NAB in a couple of months.  Does anyone have any
information about it?  Features?  Cost?


Well, I've heard that it's PC based and not Amiga based. Could be
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> Is there ARexx for Layout, and if so isa it
> documented? I remember the manual saying the ARexx docs are on disk, but i
> don't remember if that was just in reference to Modeler.


Look for the file called LightWaveArexx.Doc. I think it is in the main
Arexx_Examples drawer.

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> documented? I remember the manual saying the ARexx docs are on disk, but i
> don't remember if that was just in reference to Modeler.


Look for the file called LightWaveArexx.Doc. I think it is in the main
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> It is best to get to the bottom of things like this by using the scenes
> that come with the Toaster.
>
> On various scenes such as the textured cubes, the space fighter, and the
> scene with the world premire logo we found there to be a significant difference
> between the A4000 (25Mhz) and a Fussion Forty (28Mhz).  More than would be
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> As of today, the fastest LW setup is a GVP GForce '040 (33Mhz w/ 16MB RAM)
> in an A2000, IMHO.

I think I have the fastest Amiga on the planet for LightWave.  A3000T w/PPI 35mhz 040 w/16 meg on the card (and more on the A3000T).  Course you can't get the PPI board any more... :(

> So for our shop... all the money sunk into the A4000 and the CD32 have done
> nothing for us.

Well, AGA is useful for painting (not with TPaint unfortunately, but with Brilliance, ImageFX, etc.), plus it's handy for anim previews.  On the other hand, on the AGA version of Toaster stuff the buttons don't "push in"; they change color instead.  Big w
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>Our dollars are riding on the screamer, with possibly a
> buck or two for Tower 4000's if CBM doesn't *#&! that up.
>

Which is to say if they fixed the slow memory access problem and did the SCSI II right this time (the 4091 _won't_ work with the DMI Digital Broadcaster, according to DMI).

And what happened to 4th quarter '93 for the screamer?  Now I hear it's June '94.

> It is pathetic that 6.5years after it's release, we are still buying A2000's
> because they are the best box to stick a Toaster in for LW.
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Yep.  Crazed.  But with an accelerator a 3000 is better, and with a third party accelerator, the 4000 might still be best (none on the market yet although there is at least one memory board that is supposed to fix the memory access problem on 4000s).

What would be even better is if LightWave would allow networked rendering, without requiring dongles in every box on the network.

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>        Hi all...
>
>        Sorry if this has been discussed... but I'm about to embark on
>        a project that involves a cartoon-like character.  He will
>        have a mouth much like the ones used in "Tin Toy" and
>        "The Adventures of Andre and Wally B.".  Also like the
>        pool toy "Fred Floaty"... namely, that the mouth will be
>        a black 'patch' on the characters face... and it needs
>        to change shape so as to not only show emotion, but also to
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>        As far as I can tell, Lightwave has no provisions for doing
>        this type of work in any specific sense... so that means that
>        I will need to develop something workable...
>
>        Does anyone have any experience with this type of work, or have
>        any ideas on how best to go about making such a mouth and
>        getting it to more correctly?

Assuming you are using Toaster 3.0 what you need are bones...  I have made
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eight bones in their lips and making them wiggle.  If you have lots of time
this technique could be used for speech also.  Although my characters did
not have patch mouths this shouldn't make a difference...

If you are still operation in Toaster 2.0 your only answer is multipule
morph targets, and thats gonna be a real hassle...

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meantime, I see the February VTU is on the newstand though th January issue
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A fax from Newtek provided the hex codes, expressed as $xx triplets, to control
the Sony EVO-9650 animation deck, and a bit of fiddling with the Sony manual
produced a more efficient sequence, saving about twenty seconds per frame.

But, but, and again, but!  The Toaster manual is deficient in its description
of the syntax for the control fields.  "Deficient" is perhaps too liberal a
term; the manual doesn't appear to discuss syntax at all.  Am I missing some-
thing?  Am I looking in the wrong place?

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I got my Toaster Friday, set it up Friday evening, and defined an eight second
animation to run overnight (a circumnavigation of the cow because cows are
Good.)  When it was done, I (re-)saved the scene, telling the Layout/Scene/
Save Scene/Overwrite? dialog to go ahead and write over the most-recently saved
version of the scene.  Then I used Ctrl-ctrl-alt-alt to zip back to the Work-
bench, to change the serial port speed for the animation deck, and when I
returned to Layout and re-loaded the scene, nothing was in the scene-- no
lights, no cow, no nuthin'.  (I got plenty o' nuthin and nuthin's plenty for
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I inspected the scene file from a Shell window and indeed, it has nothing
interesting in it.  Instead, it appears to have mostly default information:
a light named "Light" and similar dull stuff.

Was I supposed to do something other than hit the Layout/Scene/Save Scene
button to save everything away?

In the meantime, if anyone needs a lovely eight second view of a cow, with
the words "This is a cow." in half-meter tall gold lettering with blue marble
accents, on a green fractally-bumped ground, let me know.  :-)
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And by the way, this Lightwave thingy is one of the easiest-to-use complex
pieces of software it has ever been my pleasure to learn.  With the aid of Mr.
Stranahan's training tapes, Lightwave is nearly "obvious," which is an
exceedingly difficult thing to do!  Kudos (whatever they are) to the program-
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                                        -- David "Without cows, beef itself
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It would be nice if the animation progress information displayed at the bot-
tom of the rendering screen included information about the inter-frame time
delay specified by the user in the Layout/Record window, as a countdown until
the start of the next frame.  And a feature of the old UNIX backup facility
would be nice too: display an updated estimate of time-to-completion, based
on the average animation speed and the number of frames to complete.

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> Ray Schroeder <[e-mail]> writes:
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> >I understand that NewTek is beta testing a non-linear editing system
> that is to debut at NAB in a couple of months.  Does anyone have any
> information about it?  Features?  Cost?
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> Well, I've heard that it's PC based and not Amiga based. Could be
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I doubt it for 3 main reasons....

1) Newtek has always wanted a one box solution... and to have
   to have toaster users buy a PC would be bad (2 Boxes! ack!).

2) If they were to make an Non-Linear edit system it stands to reason
   it would intergrate into the toaster (new switcher etc...) and that
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3) PC?!?!?! ICK!!!! ;)


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Has anyone had respones from using the Video Toaster User Magazine`s E-Mail
box?  I`ve sent many messages to VTU via E-Mail and have never yet got an
electronic reply.  I originally mailed them last november/december asking to
subscribe to the magazine,  they replied two weeks later via Snail Mail.

Do they not know how to send E-Mail?  Why do they have an E-Mail account if
they never ever respond!

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I have modelled a very cool black-glossy helicopter that has a spotlight at
the front. I want to have it flying by the camera with a nice lensflare
effect (similiar to seaquest or B5) but the lensflare, while it looks nice
from the front, is also visible from the sides and behind. How do I fix this?
I'm using two-sided polygons for the spotlight, with a conical light inside
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>
> If we extend the statistics to all the non-game-only AMIGA,
>  there is about 6000 pirated LightWave in France !!!!


We have the same problem in Hong Kong and Asia, I have the Toaster 4000, yet
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> BUT WE WANT TO BUY LIGHTWAVE !!! Because it is one the very best 3D
> software ever made ( we (and you) know that, we use it).


I think that NewTek are probably too late!,  its safe to say that LightRave
is well established in the Amiga community here in Asia,  Even though it is
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NTSC!  people seem not to mind too much using ADPRO to scale to PAL.

But I do like the Idea of NewTek releasing a PAL version of LightWave that
does not require a Toaster on CDROM, yes CDROM!  NewTek should take the lead
and stop distributing stuff on Floppies!   And make it available to everyone.
Also supplying lots of examples and Textures,  just a note, 3D Studio 3.0 has
a great CD-ROM, over 1000 textures (24bit JPG`s) which I use very often on my
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> even worst for LW. There are so many pirated versions that UK
> magazines are doing "How-to" and initiation articles for them...


yeah, my cousin is using LightRave to do Architectual animations at college
on his 2000/030,  quite amusing really.


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I deal with many Silicon Graphic houses in Hong Kong, many have been impressed
with my demonstration of LightWave, yet they do not want an NTSC system,  If
Newtek could release a PAL standalone for US$500-1000 then I would offer to
become the LightWave distributor in Hong Kong,  I could pretty well much
guarentee I could sell 30+ copies now!.  NewTek better start doing some quick
thinking, or they will be too late!

OpalVision gave NewTek a chance when they delayed for so long!  Newtek could
have gotten a PAL Toaster to the market well before OpalVision will finally
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not bad for a 23 year old guy who is not making a dime out of his hobby! (yet)

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                                        -- David Schachter

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>LightWave (buyed)->    none
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>So, what is the problem ????

>First people doesn't buy LW because it is selled with the
>VideoToaster. We do not want to buy a NTSC video board (above all in
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>TRASH it and keep the software !
>
>Second, LW is in NTSC and LightRave doesn't patch it to work in PAL.
>Our screen is 768*576 pixels wide ! And we *HATE* black line on the
>base of the screen.

>BUT WE WANT TO BUY LIGHTWAVE !!! Because it is one the very best 3D
>software ever made ( we (and you) know that, we use it).
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THIS IS INSANE!  The fact that a product doesn't meet all of your expectations
does NOT justify stealing it.  Imagine your argument applied to cars....
Well honda makes a pretty fine car, I really would LIKE to buy one, but the
radio is not up to par, so until they fix that, I'm just going to steal
hondas.

If the product doesn't meet your requirements, don't buy it , don't steal it,
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> I received an extra copy of the premiere issue as well.  I stopped in at the
> publisher and they were at a loss to explain why they sent it to me.  In the
> meantime, I see the February VTU is on the newstand though th January issue
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i, too, got a freebie issue.  i think it's from newtek itself since we
sent back our toaster board for repair in dec 93 and i gave them (newtek)
a wrong zip code.  anyway, the mailing label on the freebie (arrived in
jan 94) has the wrong zip code also... so you make the call.  seems that
newtek bought out the unsold copies and just sent them out to REGISTERED
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scene. It's similiar to the LogoLOOP scene that comes with the Toaster 3.0/
3.1. In LogoLOOP at about frame 70 or greater in the top of the characters
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    i had some problems over the weekend with transparency. i had a
planet (the tutorial saturn) and the planet ring. i then copied the
planet ring, applied a different surface with new colour/transparency
maps and moved it just above the original planet ring. when i came to
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I have a question that I am hoping someone can help me out with.  I am new to
this list(and I mean BRAND new)and relatively new to lightwave, so be gentle
with me.

What I am trying to do or want to do is make a 3D image of the Thinker, you
know, that naked guy sitting on a rock looking all pragmatic, and I was
wondering if there was maybe an ftp site or somewhere I could get an already
modeled image of him.(Are there any ftp sites out there with lightwave archives
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If those options arent an option, I would settle for an outline of it and
extrude it along the z axis.  The thing I am having trouble with is actually
creating something that looks remotely like the Thinker in modeler.  Is there
some way I could trace the image from a framestore in paintbox (or ideally even
in modeler) and then bring it into the modeler and extrude it?  If anyone can
help me, I would appreciate it.  I have yet to learn the ropes totally of
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> I think that NewTek are probably too late!,  its safe to say that LightRave
> is well established in the Amiga community here in Asia,  Even though it is
> NTSC!  people seem not to mind too much using ADPRO to scale to PAL.

If people don't mind using ADPRO to convert to PAL, BUY THE FREAKING
TOASTER PACKAGE!!!  If you don't want to stick the toaster board in your
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You have already shown that the Lightwave+Lightrave combo works for people
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If $2000 is too much for just Lightwave, play with your other toys.

> yeah, my cousin is using LightRave to do Architectual animations at college
> on his 2000/030,  quite amusing really.

Yeah, really @#$!@# funny.

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On Sun, 6 Feb 1994, Sylvan Korvus wrote:

> I have modelled a very cool black-glossy helicopter that has a spotlight at
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  I made an object with several rounded surfaces, and they all have the same surface name.
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  Hello Everyone,

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                              Micropolis Drive Support

  The Micropolis 2205A, 2210A and 2217A drives are approved for use with the
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Has GVP released this card yet?

A friend of mine contacted Creative Computers, and they were telling him the
card will be quite expensive, around US$1500 for a GVP with basic 4mb RAM.
Creative cannot confirm a price yet, and they don`t expect the card until
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    i would suggest that you selct the points that make up the edges of
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        While using my favorite Modeler 3.1 feature, I have ran into this
requester:

               CSG (Boolean)
          Polygon Partioning Error
   Add small offset to data and try again.


As luck would have it, I would be on the last of several Subtract slices.
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        In Modeler's defense, I did get it to work by simplifying my
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        Curious, though, about things to watch for.

Manual says:    3D solids only
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    On Sun, 13 Feb 1994, Uwe Voigt wrote:

    >
    > has a great article describing clip mapping.  In particular, how to
    > make a great Earth sphere.  Unfortunately, I am able to render the scene
    > only once, then every render of the same scene is blank thereafter.
    > As an experiment I tried to take the same clip map of the earth and
    > instead of Spherical mapping it onto a sphere, I selected Planar mapping
    > and clip mapped it to a regular plane.  This worked for every render of the
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    Check to make sure that you don't have Pixel blending and Negative Image
    selected for the clip map. I've run into some problems with pixel
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  > So where are any Lightwave archives on the net, anyway?
  >     Cyrus J. Kalbrener
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  As far as I know the official site is kept on the avalon.chinalake.navy.mil
  Although there in only one object there at present.

  So that this site does get popular, I think I`ll have to start uploading every
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                    Anyone interested in seeing this ?  :-)
  I`ll make an effort and upload it onto the avalon site this week, including
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    Greetings.

    I read somewhere that LightWave has been / or in the process of being ported
    to Windows NT?

    Dear Allen, Is this true?  I have to agree this would be an excellent and
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    position.

    I understand that a Non-Graphics render version of lightWave might have been
    compiled for the Screamer under NT,  And I don`t know what the Plan on NewTek
    would be on releasing a LightWave for Windows.  Hmmmm..

    I am for it, in one sense as Allen will make much money from this, thus allowinghim to improve LightWave even further, on the other hand, I`m against it as
    it would knock the Amiga, and possible lower its sales.

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    I have 2 A4000`s and a 486/66 with 3D Studio, and I`d love to get LightWave
    on the Windows!!..  but then again not.. know what I mean?

    P.S  Mark Thompson,  I`m blown away with your pics, and I`ve managed to order
    the Amigamations video from Amiga World,  I`ve gone kind of crazy these last
    few weeks with Rendering, and have bought 5 tapes from DevWare ;-)

    JUST ONE QUESTION :-) ;-)
    Can you upload more example scenes you`ve and others have done?  I learn alot
    more about LightWave by experimenting and looking at other peoples examples
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    trying to figure out what you did and why you did it!  Great Stuff!!

    :-O  :-o  :-D  :-o  :-)  <----  I`m singing guys!
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    I like Windows NT!  I have it on my PC!  I`ve changed my startup .BAT routine
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I know this message seems a little off-topic, but with the possibility of
SoftImage being available under Windows NT in the future, what chance does
LightWave have on a small niche market machine?

With MicroSoft purchasing SoftImage, it is expected that within the next 5
years,  the desktop computer, (ie PC-DOS) will be capable of doing computer
graphics and Animation comparable, if not better than Jurrasic Park.
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With MicroSoft`s attack on most of the WorkStation vendors with their Market
Strategy of Windows NT for all desktops,  SUN, DEC and HP are starting to
get a little concerned about their future.  SGI on the other hand still had
a market niche, It is true that SGI once had a large lead in the Hardware
Computer Graphics front,  since then the Software has matured, which in turn
sells more SGI`s,  but other platforms are catching up fast, and a step in
the right direction is Porting this software to these new breeds.

I for one wonder what the status of the Amiga will be 5 years from now, and
the way Windows NT is going, it could be we will all be using this in the
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not so distant future.  I truly hope that my vision of running LightWave 6.0
on my Picasso ZorroIV in 1600x1280x24bit on my Risc based Amiga whilst at
the same time, in the same enviroment running Windows Applications comes true.

I personally dislike MS-Windows, when compared to MOTIF and AmigaDOS, but its
here to stay, and anyone who writes software for the future should have to
consider Windows NT, to get mass market distribution.  As for Allen Hastings,
as I said before,  If LightWave was released on the Windows NT platform, it
would sell tens of thousands of copies, and give Allen the money required to
keep enhancing LightWave,  Allen has produced probably the Greatest 3D program
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because of not making enough money to survive on.

I`ve come to accept PC Windows as a neccessary EVIL.  Even if Windows was a
failure , so much money has been spent on Developing it, many companies would
refuse to admit its failure and keep struggling until it would eventually
turn around.

For LightWave`s sake, we may one day see a version running under Windows NT.

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I have worked with SoftImage and know what we will be competeing with!, its not
just Amiga`s competeing against SGI machines, we definatly beat them on price
over performance, but this is lost when SGI software is availble for the PC.

I currently work for Intergraph Graphics Systems, we used to build our own
WorkStations and computer hardware,  The company at present is moving ALL its
resources over to Windows NT,  and not supporting any WorkStation Vendor or
its Own hardware in the future.  Intergraph will soon be a 100% Windows Vendor.

Who would have guessed this would happen 5 years ago?
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> I made an object with several rounded surfaces, and they all have the same surface name.
> But one of the surfaces won't render smoothed!  In the surfaces menu, I turn on smoothing for the surface name, and this one section renders like I never turned on the smoothing!
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Well I had something like this happen to me,
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services.  Would anyone be willing to share with me what kind of fees
you charge for typical renderings ( say 6 second flying logo with
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    I made an object with several rounded surfaces, and they all have the same surface name.
    But one of the surfaces won't render smoothed!  In the surfaces menu, I turn on smoothing for the surface name, and this one section renders like I never turned on the smoothing!
    Any ideas what's going on?
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  Subject: GVP 040/40mhz


  Has GVP released this card yet?

  A friend of mine contacted Creative Computers, and they were telling him the
  card will be quite expensive, around US$1500 for a GVP with basic 4mb RAM.
  Creative cannot confirm a price yet, and they don`t expect the card until
  late march.  Is this true?

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  I think I read somewhere that Creative were advertising this card quite a
  while ago for us$699.  But with their reputation, I don`t beileve what they
  advertise.


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      Subject: LWave Alpha masks in PAR and ADPpro

        What the hell!????  Help me, Mr. Wizard(s)!

        If you generate an Alpha channel mask in LWave, it creates a
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      8-bit grey scale image.  This image is not importable into the PAR,
      as the PAR only accepts 24bit images (as of 1.61).

        (Allen has fixed this in some version of LW >3.1.  Drat!  STILL
        haven't gotten updated yet!)

        OK, SID identifies the file as a 256 color image.  So, apparently
      does the PAR.

        But when you load it into ADPro, the area that should be BLACK
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      (0,0,0) in a Alpha channel mask is displayed as BLUE.  Probably pure
      blue (0,0,255) (I haven't checked.).

        ADPro also says that the image is "Color and Rendered" which I
      take to mean 24 bit.  (ADpro is a little vague to me on these things, is
       there a way to tell exactly what it has loaded?)

        AND, although the PAR will not directly accept a alpha mask image,
      if you simply load it into ADPro, do absolutely nothing to it, and
      save it to the PAR, it goes in fine, although the black is blue.
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        How do you get around this blue problem?

      ************

        It looks like if you do a color-to-gray operation in ADPro, with
      blue balence set to zero, you get what you need, however, I'd like some
      official confirmation on this.

        I.E., are there any green components to the alpha image?  Should
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    Hello Everyone,

                   Just thought I'd drop a note from DPS BBS [phone] :
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                              Current Software Releases

                          DOS Software       AMIGA Software

    Personal TBC-IV       Version 1.5          Version 2.2
    Personal TBC-III      Version 3.0          Version 2.0
    Personal TBC-II       Version 2.1          Version 3.0
    Personal V-Scope      Version 1.1          Version 2.0
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    DPS MicroSYNC         Version 2.0          Version 2.0

    PAR                   N/A                  Version 1.81

    PAL Personal TBC-II   Version 2.2          Version 1.1
    PAL Personal V-SCOPE  Version 1.1

    Files on this BBS are compressed using PKZIP for DOS and LHA for AMIGA.
    If you require these archive utilities, they are located in the Shareware
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                                Micropolis Drive Support

    The Micropolis 2205A, 2210A and 2217A drives are approved for use with the
    PAR card.

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    Support for the Micropolis drives requires software release version 1.59
    or higher.

    Required files:  PAR161.LHA
                     MCROINST.TXT  (Installation Instructions)

    Both files are located in file area 3 (PAR AMIGA)

    Please read the MCROINST.TXT file before de-archiving the PAR161.LHA.

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    Scanning file area - PAR Amiga

    [ 1] PAR181.LHA    214,272   02/18/94 | AMIGA Version 1.81 software for the PAR
         Dwnlds: 11    DL Time   00:02:30 | card.

    Grant R. Cormier LineLink14.4e, BUG, TAZA, 3DAFI, & ADF \|/ Amiga
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